canSAS - User contributions [en]

User talk:Emilydyao

2026-03-22T16:36:00Z

Butler: Welcome!

'''Welcome to ''canSAS''!'''
We hope you will contribute much and well.
You will probably want to read the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Contents help pages].
Again, welcome and have fun! [[User:Butler|Butler]] ([[User talk:Butler|talk]]) 16:36, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:Kabanova

2026-03-19T12:36:43Z

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User talk:Bmaranville

2026-03-18T14:03:43Z

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User talk:HFriel

2026-03-18T12:35:24Z

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2026-03-17T14:11:15Z

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2026-03-17T14:10:49Z

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User talk:HAJIZADEH

2026-03-17T14:10:08Z

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User talk:Miguel Gonzalez

2026-03-16T13:02:14Z

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User talk:Ashutosh

2026-03-13T15:39:08Z

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User talk:Apostolos Vagias

2026-03-12T16:02:24Z

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User talk:Olha91

2025-04-02T11:31:16Z

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User talk:DirkHonecker

2025-04-02T11:30:49Z

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User talk:Jgaudet

2025-04-02T11:30:27Z

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Topical Discussion

2024-12-04T17:55:24Z

Butler: /* Notes Start here */

<big>'''Notes from canSAS 2024 General Discussion of all Topical Presentation/Discussion'''</big> 

__TOC__

== Final thoughts on these ==
* We should set up an Uncertainties WG
* The feeling is that data corrections are nearly complete for X-rays, but some way to go for neutrons. Should expand the current
* We should set up webpage for publishing ‘best practice’ for fields that are not bioSAS, but take inspiration from Jill et al’s paper.
* We should encourage users to publish more details on how data were processed – amount of background subtracted for example.
* Should we provide more descriptors of uncertainty with classifications (counting, systematics etc)? Relative magnitudes would allow decision over which can safely be ignored.

canSAS-XIV

2024-12-04T17:46:20Z

Butler: /* Session notes */

canSAS-XIV

2024-12-04T17:33:59Z

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AI Notes

2024-11-25T17:05:09Z

Butler:

<big>'''Notes from canSAS 2024 AI/ML in SAS Topical Presentation/Discussion'''</big> 

__TOC__
* Talk
** AI is pervasive
*** The most impactful AI applications will be outside he facility wall, these mostly demand good, reduced data
** Decision ready data
*** bespoke GUI reduction is unnecessarily user-unfriendly, AND prevents future data-intensive work
** Accessible documented API
*** Magic cable story
*** We should more regularly support outside decision engines as the 'center of the universe' with the instrument as a subordinate worker

* Discussion
** Andrew Jackson
*** Accessible documented API is good, public internet is not going to happen. All instruments should be able to be ‘plugged into’
** Brian Pauw
*** Has solution for rolling nexus/NxCansas into scicat
** Jan Ilavsky
*** Instrument control from open internet is not going to happen; decision is in wrong hands
*** Why not just use EPICS?
**** A: We’ve done that.
*** People hate tiled/bluesky
** Unknown person
*** How do you make sure the AI doesn’t break your instrument or put the instrument in a bad state?
**** A: This is a problem with the instrument. If the instrument can be put in that state, it’s the instruments problem
** Unknown Person
*** How to preserve privacy of data for use in ML/AI applications?
**** A: Good important question, no easy answers
** Adrian Renee
*** Comment about “center of the universe”. Should be broader. All instruments should be switchable between these two views
*** How to get the users integrated into the decision making?
**** A: Human-machine interfaces is important. Code and efforts exists (Tsuchinoko)
** Brian Pauw
*** We should support and push for instruments that aren’t the center of the universe
** Tanny Chavez
*** Uncertainty quantification?
**** A: Yes, very important

2024 Worshop

2024-11-25T16:59:38Z

Butler:

== Agenda ==
{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 09:15 - 09:25
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NIST-CNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Welcome and Plan Of the Day - U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
|-
! 09:25 - 09:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| canSAS Introduction and Background- Paul Butler (UD/NCNR) [[media:canSAS2024-KickOff.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! rowspan="4"|09:45 - 10:25
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Information and Dissemination Paul Butler (UD/NIST) [[media:canSAS2024 InformationAndDisseminationWG.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Sample Environments Nick Terrill (Diamond) [[media:canSAS_Sample_Environments.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Grazing Incidence Anja Hörmann (BAM) [[media:canSAS GISAS Hormann.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Reproducibility and Reliability Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) [[media:canSAS Repr Rel report 2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! 10:25 - 10:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/scribe:'' Andrew Jackson (ESS) and '''Wiebke Koepp (LBL)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[First WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 10:45 - 11:15
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! rowspan="4"|11:15 - 11:55
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Volker Urban (ORNL)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Data Formats Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| TOF SANS Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:TOFWG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| SESANS Wim Bouwman (Delft) [[media:SESANSWG canSAS2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Tomography Tim Snow (Diamond) [[Tomography Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 11:55 - 12:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Steve King (ISIS) and '''Annika Stelhorn (ESS)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[Second WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 12:15 - 12:25
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
|-
! 12:25 - 12:40
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | LUNCH
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Pick up lunch boxes in hall
|-
! 12:40 - 13:05
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Working LUNCH ''Moderator/Scribe:'' '''Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)''' and '''Andrew Jackson'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Lunch Discussion | Lunch Discussion]] (next general meeting (canSASXV) etc)
|-
! 13:05 - 13:35
| rowspan="2" align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:sokolova SAS2024 CanSAS reduction for WiKi.pdf | Data Reduction]] Anna Sokolova (ANSTO) ''Scribe:'' '''Sylvain Prevost (ILL)''' [[Data Reduction Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 13:35 - 14:05
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:CanSAS DataBase Discussion.pdf | Databases]] Wiebke Koepp (LBL) ''Scribe:'' '''Brian Pauw (BAM)''' [[Databases Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 14:05 - 14:35
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! 14:35 - 15:05
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:canSAS2024 AIandMLinSAS Discussion.pdf| AI/ML in SAS]] Peter Beaucage (NIST) ''Scribe:'' '''Tyler Martin (NIST)''' [[AI Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 15:05 - 15:25
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Tim Snow (Diamond) and '''Andrew Smith (Diamond)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Topical Discussion | Discuss/define possible needs for action]]
|-
! 15:25 - 15:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque"| Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) and Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
| style="background:bisque" | [[Final Discussion | Going Forward]]
* Call for workshops
* Call for volunteers/sign up to mailing lists
|-
! 15:45
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | ADJOURN and breakout discussions
| style="background:#f2f2f2" |Formal/informal WG discussions
|-
! 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | SAS-2024 OPENING RECEPTION
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Ongoing informal discussions and party
|}

2024 Worshop

2024-11-25T16:58:45Z

Butler:

== Agenda ==
{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 09:15 - 09:25
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NIST-CNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Welcome and Plan Of the Day - U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
|-
! 09:25 - 09:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| canSAS Introduction and Background- Paul Butler (UD/NCNR) [[media:canSAS2024-KickOff.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! rowspan="4"|09:45 - 10:25
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Information and Dissemination Paul Butler (UD/NIST) [[media:canSAS2024 InformationAndDisseminationWG.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Sample Environments Nick Terrill (Diamond) [[media:canSAS_Sample_Environments.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Grazing Incidence Anja Hörmann (BAM) [[media:canSAS GISAS Hormann.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Reproducibility and Reliability Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) [[media:canSAS Repr Rel report 2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! 10:25 - 10:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/scribe:'' Andrew Jackson (ESS) and '''Wiebke Koepp (LBL)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[First WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 10:45 - 11:15
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! rowspan="4"|11:15 - 11:55
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Volker Urban (ORNL)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Data Formats Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| TOF SANS Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:TOFWG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| SESANS Wim Bouwman (Delft) [[media:SESANSWG canSAS2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Tomography Tim Snow (Diamond) [[Tomography Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 11:55 - 12:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Steve King (ISIS) and '''Annika Stelhorn (ESS)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[Second WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 12:15 - 12:25
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
|-
! 12:25 - 12:40
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | LUNCH
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Pick up lunch boxes in hall
|-
! 12:40 - 13:05
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Working LUNCH ''Moderator/Scribe:'' '''Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)''' and '''Andrew Jackson'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Lunch Discussion | Lunch Discussion]] (next general meeting (canSASXV) etc)
|-
! 13:05 - 13:35
| rowspan="2" align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:sokolova SAS2024 CanSAS reduction for WiKi.pdf | Data Reduction]] Anna Sokolova (ANSTO) ''Scribe:'' '''Sylvain Prevost (ILL)''' [[Data Reduction Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 13:35 - 14:05
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:CanSAS DataBase Discussion.pdf | Databases]] Wiebke Koepp (LBL) ''Scribe:'' '''Brian Pauw (BAM)''' [[Databases Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 14:05 - 14:35
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! 14:35 - 15:05
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:canSAS2024 AIandMLinSAS Discussion.pdf| AI/ML in SAS]] Peter Beaucage (NIST) ''Scribe:'' '''Tyler Martin''' [[AI Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 15:05 - 15:25
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Tim Snow (Diamond) and '''Andrew Smith (Diamond)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Topical Discussion | Discuss/define possible needs for action]]
|-
! 15:25 - 15:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque"| Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) and Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
| style="background:bisque" | [[Final Discussion | Going Forward]]
* Call for workshops
* Call for volunteers/sign up to mailing lists
|-
! 15:45
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | ADJOURN and breakout discussions
| style="background:#f2f2f2" |Formal/informal WG discussions
|-
! 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | SAS-2024 OPENING RECEPTION
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Ongoing informal discussions and party
|}

Final Discussion

2024-11-20T17:42:31Z

Butler:

<big>'''Notes from FINAL canSAS 2024 General Discussion'''</big> 

__TOC__

'''Meetings and Workshops'''
* Outreach at universities : Mu Ping Nieh - workshop at U Conn ... Topic??
* Meeting in 2025 at ESS? Resolution and data formats, who and what?
* Resolution discussion

'''Joe Kline list'''
* Andy Smith / Diamond
* Anna Sokolova / Ansto
* Elliot Gilbert / Ansto
* Peter Beaucage / NIST
* Lionel Porcar / ILL
* Jan Ilavsky / APS
* Sylvain Prevost / ILL
* Wim Bouwman / Delft
* Anja hormann /BAM
* Christian Gollwitzer / PTB

'''supporting standard sample? Difficult'''
* Find samples that look like what we normally measure (Sylvain) - need to have something that is of the same geometry and setup as normal samples.
* Discussion of different samples : AJJ suggested block copolymers
* Membrane samples from Brian Pauw
** Anna S : was difficult for standard due to orientation requirements
** Wim B : worked well for SESANS

'''Outreach / Dissemination hackathon/working group'''
* Sample environment get together online (Katie W)
* Topical group : reduction (Anna) : should it be a working group?

'''Discussion of future meetings ...'''
* regular canSAS before SAS?
* small working group meetings?

PLAN :
* working group meetings
* online discussion in year
* general canSAS meeting in 2026 or early 2027

* Sylvain suggests that a topical discusssion at RALSAS in ~ 4 months would be a good way to engage a broader community and students. Where? RAL. Rob Dalgliesh and Rob Rambo organising?

canSAS-XIV

2024-11-11T23:28:12Z

Butler:

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2024-11-11T23:25:17Z

Butler: canSAS2024 Group Photo on stage

== Summary ==
canSAS2024 Group Photo on stage

File:LINE ALBUM 2024113 Day1 241103 83.jpg

2024-11-11T23:24:39Z

Butler: canSAS 2024 Group Photo Seated

== Summary ==
canSAS 2024 Group Photo Seated

Tomography Notes

2024-11-11T23:12:47Z

Butler: Created page with "Tim Snow told the group that since it's inception, the WG has not received any expressions of interest and posed the question to the assembly as to whether the WG should continue to exist or be dissolved. '''COMMENTS:''' * The field may not yet be mature enough for a fulsome working Group? * Tomography is in an interesting place and not clear whether it is SAS or imaging. Is the SAS group the wrong community to be approaching?"

Tim Snow told the group that since it's inception, the WG has not received any expressions of interest and posed the question to the assembly as to whether the WG should continue to exist or be dissolved.

'''COMMENTS:'''
* The field may not yet be mature enough for a fulsome working Group?
* Tomography is in an interesting place and not clear whether it is SAS or imaging. Is the SAS group the wrong community to be approaching?

2024 Worshop

2024-11-11T23:09:17Z

Butler:

== Agenda ==
{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 09:15 - 09:25
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NIST-CNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Welcome and Plan Of the Day - U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
|-
! 09:25 - 09:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| canSAS Introduction and Background- Paul Butler (UD/NCNR) [[media:canSAS2024-KickOff.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! rowspan="4"|09:45 - 10:25
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Information and Dissemination Paul Butler (UD/NIST) [[media:canSAS2024 InformationAndDisseminationWG.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Sample Environments Nick Terrill (Diamond)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Grazing Incidence Anja Hörmann (BAM) [[media:canSAS GISAS Hormann.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Reproducibility and Reliability Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) [[media:canSAS Repr Rel report 2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! 10:25 - 10:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/scribe:'' Andrew Jackson (ESS) and '''Wiebke Koepp (LBL)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[First WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 10:45 - 11:15
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! rowspan="4"|11:15 - 11:55
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Volker Urban (ORNL)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Data Formats Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| TOF SANS Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:TOFWG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| SESANS Wim Bouwman (Delft) [[media:SESANSWG canSAS2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Tomography Tim Snow (Diamond) [[Tomography Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 11:55 - 12:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Steve King (ISIS) and '''Annika Stelhorn (ESS)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[Second WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 12:15 - 12:25
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
|-
! 12:25 - 12:40
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | LUNCH
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Pick up lunch boxes in hall
|-
! 12:40 - 13:05
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Working LUNCH ''Moderator/Scribe:'' '''Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)''' and '''Andrew Jackson'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Lunch Discussion | Lunch Discussion]] (next general meeting (canSASXV) etc)
|-
! 13:05 - 13:35
| rowspan="2" align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:sokolova SAS2024 CanSAS reduction for WiKi.pdf | Data Reduction]] Anna Sokolova (ANSTO) ''Scribe:'' '''Sylvain Prevost (ILL)''' [[Data Reduction Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 13:35 - 14:05
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:CanSAS DataBase Discussion.pdf | Databases]] Wiebke Koepp (LBL) ''Scribe:'' '''Brian Pauw (BAM)''' [[Databases Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 14:05 - 14:35
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! 14:35 - 15:05
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:canSAS2024 AIandMLinSAS Discussion.pdf| AI/ML in SAS]] Peter Beaucage (NIST) ''Scribe:'' '''TBA''' [[AI Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 15:05 - 15:25
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Tim Snow (Diamond) and '''Andrew Smith (Diamond)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Topical Discussion | Discuss/define possible needs for action]]
|-
! 15:25 - 15:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque"| Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) and Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
| style="background:bisque" | [[Final Discussion | Going Forward]]
* Call for workshops
* Call for volunteers/sign up to mailing lists
|-
! 15:45
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | ADJOURN and breakout discussions
| style="background:#f2f2f2" |Formal/informal WG discussions
|-
! 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | SAS-2024 OPENING RECEPTION
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Ongoing informal discussions and party
|}

canSAS-XIV

2024-11-11T22:59:41Z

Butler:

Final Discussion

2024-11-11T22:57:51Z

Butler:

<big>'''Notes from FINAL canSAS 2024 General Discussion'''</big> 

__TOC__

'''Meetings and Workshops'''
* Outreach at universities : Mu Ping Nieh - workshop at U Conn ... Topic??
* Meeting in 2025 at ESS? Resolution and data formats, who and what?
* Resolution discussion

'''Joe Kline list'''
* Andy Smith / Diamond
* Anna Sokolova
* Elliot
* Peter B
* Lionel
* Jan
* Sylvain
* Wim
* Anja

'''upporting standard sample? Difficult'''
* Find samples that look like what we normally measure (Sylvain) - need to have something that is of the same geometry and setup as normal samples.
* Discussion of different samples : AJJ suggested block copolymers
* Membrane samples from Brian Pauw
** Anna S : was difficult for standard due to orientation requirements
** Wim B : worked well for SESANS

'''Outreach / Dissemination hackathon/working group'''
* Sample environment get together online (Katie W)
* Topical group : reduction (Anna) : should it be a working group?

'''Discussion of future meetings ...'''
* regular canSAS before SAS?
* small working group meetings?

PLAN :
* working group meetings
* online discussion in year
* general canSAS meeting in 2026 or early 2027

* Sylvain suggests that a topical discusssion at RALSAS in ~ 4 months would be a good way to engage a broader community and students. Where? RAL. Rob Dalgliesh and Rob Rambo organising?

canSAS-XIV

2024-11-11T22:50:01Z

Butler:

Data Reduction Notes

2024-11-09T20:00:24Z

Butler:

<big>'''Notes from canSAS 2024 Data Reduction Topical Presentation/Discussion'''</big> 

__TOC__

=Information:=
BILBY is a useful playground given its 5 detectors and its ability to work both monochromatic with velocity selector or ToF, providing variable resolution.

Interventions by Adrian Rennie (Uppsala University, Adrian.Rennie@kemi.uu.se), Tyler Martin (NIST, tyler.martin@nist.gov), Brian Pauw (BAM, brian.pauw@bam.de), Andrew Jackson (ESS, andrew.jackson@ess.eu), Glen J Smales (BAM, glen.smales@bam.de)

=Topic of high-q background subtraction:=

=Topic of autoscaling traceability:=

* Brian Pauw (BAM) suggests to avoid entirely the issue of stitching by scaling each configuration to absolute units [if absolute scale is excellent in every instance and therefore no adjustment is necessary, which is not always the case].

=Topic of transmission values:=

* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala University) states that the physics behind transmission should be used to make a proper fit; the modelling of transmission vs wavelength can go therefore beyond a simple polynomial especially if there are edges in the energy range experimentally accessed.

* Glen J Smales (Diamond) asks that how the transmission is determined must be indicated. What solid angle range is used for that? And when you’re measuring the incident flux somewhere else (further upstream) than the “transmitted” flux, is it actually comparable?

=Topic of uncertainties:=

* Andrew Jackson (ESS) asks how to account for uncertainties that are not a result of scattering counting statistics? E.g. uncertainties on transmission factors.

* Brian Pauw (BAM) ask how multiple uncertainties could be handled. How to deal with correlation between errors? It remains an open question [probably would have to be dealt with by the data analysis software].

* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala University) informs that to his knowledge most data reduction packages do not include random errors.

=Topic of overall data reduction process:=

* Tyler Martin (NIST) mentions Reductus, a graph-based description of the sequence of data reduction. See publication https://doi.org/10.1107/S1600576718011974. Andrew Jackson indicates that ESS is doing something similar.

* Brian Pauw (BAM) mentions his universal data correction work, explaining that by experience it becomes easy to see if there are mistakes, and at what stage of the data corrections.

Databases Notes

2024-11-09T19:42:53Z

Butler:

<big>'''Notes from canSAS 2024 Databases Topical Presentation/Discussion'''</big> 

__TOC__

=Fair data=
- there are checkers available for example www/f-uji.net/

=Public databases:=
* Catalog of fair databases: fairsharing.org brings up two databases, SASPDB and simplescattering.com
* Zenodo also contains 14k datasets, also software.

=Local databases:=
* SciCat: possibility to catalog datasets and instruments.
* Tiled: data access framework linked to BlueSky, future connection with scicat will be done.

=What is needed=
* A publicly accessible (scicat) catalog would be useful for labs to catalog public scattering datasets in.
** This could be taken up as part of the International Scattering Alliance, certainly falls within its remit. Needs a document to specify what is needed, what should be uploaded to it, and how much it would cost.
** Data to include in this would be (corrected, well-documented) data on easily accessible samples. This could include single phases (backgrounds) like water, hexane, toluene, acetone, PEG-DA, scotch tape, etc., and also reference samples such as the silver nanoparticle solutions. The datasets and samples should be well-described and ideally complete with a data processing graph.
** There should be a provision to add annotations (text, keywords, flags) to datasets, this could say a lot about the human interpretation of given datasets.
** This (and other well-documented databases) could have benefits for the third “user” group: the group of people that need your data to train ML systems.
** All databases need to have a good user interface that actually addresses the need of the user. Once you build that, and the user sees the benefit they get from this, they will come. For example, MX people cannot work without their dashboards. FAIR-compliant user interfaces need to become easy enough to use that it becomes prohibitively hard for the user not to follow the recommended pathway.
** We might need guidelines on how to describe a sample sufficiently well, so that they can be used in the analysis. This data, and the (corrected, fully described) data should be made available in a public repository at the latest at the time of publication.

First WG Discussion

2024-11-09T16:13:02Z

Butler:

<big>'''Notes from canSAS 2024 First Working Group Discussion Session'''</big> 
'''Includes:'''
* Information and Dissemination
* Sample Environments
* Grazing Incidence
* Reproducibility and Reliability

__TOC__

=Information and Dissemination - Paul Butler (UD/NIST)=
==Notes pre-update==
Discussion on Recruiting students and postdoc, increase participation
* Anna Sokolova (ANSTO): Today’s CanSAS has no virtual attendance - How can more students and PostDocs be brought into the workshop?
* Mu-Ping Nieh (UConn): Suggestion to hold a workshop at University of Connecticut to draw in computer science and engineering students
Discussion on formalizing CanSAS as an organization
* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated
* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership donations from ESS, university of Uppsala
* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop
* Currently no Donate button, registration underway
* Grants (e.g. NSF may pay for students to travel)
==Notes from Updates==
Current Activities
* Wiki
** Access to request to Paul Butler, will be approved, otherwise bots overrun
** Major effort to upgrade
* Webpages
** Moved to CanSAS github.io
** Simpler to add editors now
** Cansas.org is now “owned” by university
* Mailing list
** Mailman2 version had too high maintenance
** Moved to Google Groups, mostly unused
** SESANS using jicsmail, does not have a generic sign up page ( will look into this)
** New attempt with MailMan3 in progress
* SAS Portal Project
** Software page especially popular (7k/year, 65k/year visits on front page)
* new.smallangles.org - major refactor with updating and porting in process
* Github (cansas), mostly for data formats
* Tutorials, lots of interest, but no-one stepped up to do so under the canSAS organization
* Draft for resolution paper
* Will need help for determining services

==Notes from Discussion==

=Sample Environments - Nick Terrill (Diamond)==
==Notes from Updates==
* Subgroup RheoSAS
** Met with Anton Paar to discuss SAS-Rheometer: Progress towards being able to communicate with
** Interested in doing a (virtual) working group subgroup meeting?
*** EPICS drivers
*** Direct control
*** Quartz cup and bob
*** Email to Katie.Weigandt, dedicated meeting late 2024 or early 2025

* User brought sample environments
** Problems: Not designed to be integrated, using different operating system, don’t use the right cables, triggered weirdly, user wants all variables saved with the facility data.
** EPICS Integrations - Diamond/ISIS working on this, ESS also experimenting with this (talk to ESS Sample Environments Team) - email Tim Snow
** Link with International Society of Sample Environments
==Notes from Discussion==
Link with International Society of Sample Environments

=Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)=
==Notes from Updates==
'''History'''
Formation in 2015, new iteration in 2024
Survey
* Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024
* Data set to be published
* SANS, and 2 types of SAXS sources are represented
* So far only Europe and North America, GISANS
'''ToDo list:'''
* Contact previously active people
* Increase diversity
* Finding modus of operandi
* Establish Mailing list
==Notes from Discussion==
* Paul Butler(NIST):Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering than for evanescent wave
* Annika Stellhorn(ESS): Discussion on standards?
* Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons

=Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)==
==Notes from Updates==
* Used to be called “Standardization”
* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
* Joe Klein: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer
** Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)
** Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.
** Provide estimated pith for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration
* Glassy Carbon round robin - circulated through CanSAS community
* Candidates for other test sample
** Needs to be reproducible
* Recruitment of participants
* Further standards for intensity or momentum transfer?
* Different ways of round robins
** Blind can have a use
** Revising data reduction, reported again, activity is useful
* Talk about reduction in context of round robin
==Notes from Discussion==

=General Discussion=
SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol (ISSE activity)
* Some drivers running at NIST
* ESS Octopy, does it work?
* Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at Oak Ridge?
* Not a true standard -- just a protocol?
* EPICS drivers can be quite specific.
* An additional layer may be needed

CanSAS: Facility members used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care so much about plug and play?
NXcanSAS:
* Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread
* Andrew Jackson, ESS: Todo on formats: No survey yet
* Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.
* Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons
* Paul Butler (NIST)
** 1d data, often put out as ASCII, but 2d data is more complicated
** Laid the groundwork is important
* Encourage adoption as a community
* For lab SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

* Yun Liu (NIST): There has been a focus on throughput, but is current practice viable for weak scattering? We are sometimes pushing the limit in regards to intensity where background is dominating. It would be good to have a round Robbin for looking at how reliably we can do this .. both at low and high Q.
* Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform
* Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?
* Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.
* Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): Link of existing videos?
* Original idea of the portal was to fill in blanks in information and link to existing resources when available.

First WG Discussion

2024-11-09T15:51:27Z

Butler: /* Notes from Updates */

<big>'''Notes from canSAS 2024 First Working Group Discussion Session'''</big> 
'''Includes:'''
* Information and Dissemination
* Sample Environments
* Grazing Incidence
* Reproducibility and Reliability

__TOC__

=Information and Dissemination - Paul Butler (UD/NIST)=
==Notes pre-update==
Discussion on Recruiting students and postdoc, increase participation
* Anna Sokolova (ANSTO): Today’s CanSAS has no virtual attendance - How can more students and PostDocs be brought into the workshop?
* Mu-Ping Nieh (UConn): Suggestion to hold a workshop at University of Connecticut to draw in computer science and engineering students
Discussion on formalizing CanSAS as an organization
* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated
* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership donations from ESS, university of Uppsala
* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop
* Currently no Donate button, registration underway
* Grants (e.g. NSF may pay for students to travel)
==Notes from Updates==
Current Activities
* Wiki
** Access to request to Paul Butler, will be approved, otherwise bots overrun
** Major effort to upgrade
* Webpages
** Moved to CanSAS github.io
** Simpler to add editors now
** Cansas.org is now “owned” by university
* Mailing list
** Mailman2 version had too high maintenance
** Moved to Google Groups, mostly unused
** SESANS using jicsmail, does not have a generic sign up page ( will look into this)
** New attempt with MailMan3 in progress
* SAS Portal Project
** Software page especially popular (7k/year, 65k/year visits on front page)
* new.smallangles.org - major refactor with updating and porting in process
* Github (cansas), mostly for data formats
* Tutorials, lots of interest, but no-one stepped up to do so under the canSAS organization
* Draft for resolution paper
* Will need help for determining services

==Notes from Discussion==

=Sample Environments - Nick Terrill (Diamond)==
==Notes from Updates==
* Subgroup RheoSAS
** Met with Anton Paar to discuss SAS-Rheometer: Progress towards being able to communicate with
** Interested in doing a (virtual) working group subgroup meeting?
*** EPICS drivers
*** Direct control
*** Quartz cup and bob
*** Email to Katie.Weigandt, dedicated meeting late 2024 or early 2025

* User brought sample environments
** Problems: Not designed to be integrated, using different operating system, don’t use the right cables, triggered weirdly, user wants all variables saved with the facility data.
** EPICS Integrations - Diamond/ISIS working on this, ESS also experimenting with this (talk to ESS Sample Environments Team) - email Tim Snow
** Link with International Society of Sample Environments
==Notes from Discussion==
Link with International Society of Sample Environments

=Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)=
==Notes from Updates==
'''History'''
Formation in 2015, new iteration in 2024
Survey
* Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024
* Data set to be published
* SANS, and 2 types of SAXS sources are represented
* So far only Europe and North America, GISANS
'''ToDo list:'''
* Contact previously active people
* Increase diversity
* Finding modus of operandi
* Establish Mailing list
==Notes from Discussion==
* Paul Butler(NIST):Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering than for evanescent wave
* Annika Stellhorn(ESS): Discussion on standards?
* Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons

=Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)==
==Notes from Updates==
* Used to be called “Standardization”
* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
* Joe Klein: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer
** Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)
** Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.
** Provide estimated pith for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration
* Glassy Carbon round robin - circulated through CanSAS community
* Candidates for other test sample
** Needs to be reproducible
* Recruitment of participants
* Further standards for intensity or momentum transfer?
* Different ways of round robins
** Blind can have a use
** Revising data reduction, reported again, activity is useful
* Talk about reduction in context of round robin
==Notes from Discussion==

=General Discussion=
Finished producing some drivers, running on SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol, ISSE, Octopies, told it does not work. Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at Oakridge - seems to not be fully standard as a protocol.
EPICS drivers can be quite specific.
Additional layer may be needed

CanSAS: Facility members used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care.
Plug and play
Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread
Andrew Jackson, ESS: Todo on formats: No survey yet
Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.
Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons
1d data, often put out as ASCII
2d data is more complicated - Laid groundwork is important
Encourage adoption as a community
For synchrotron SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

Yun Liu (NIST): Is current practice viable for weak scattering? Push for throughput. Push limit in regards to intensity? Background is dominating in case of wake scatterers
Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform

Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?
Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.

Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): Link of existing videos?
Original idea of the portal was to fill in blanks and link to existing resources.

First WG Discussion

2024-11-09T15:50:57Z

Butler:

<big>'''Notes from canSAS 2024 First Working Group Discussion Session'''</big> 
'''Includes:'''
* Information and Dissemination
* Sample Environments
* Grazing Incidence
* Reproducibility and Reliability

__TOC__

=Information and Dissemination - Paul Butler (UD/NIST)=
==Notes pre-update==
Discussion on Recruiting students and postdoc, increase participation
* Anna Sokolova (ANSTO): Today’s CanSAS has no virtual attendance - How can more students and PostDocs be brought into the workshop?
* Mu-Ping Nieh (UConn): Suggestion to hold a workshop at University of Connecticut to draw in computer science and engineering students
Discussion on formalizing CanSAS as an organization
* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated
* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership donations from ESS, university of Uppsala
* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop
* Currently no Donate button, registration underway
* Grants (e.g. NSF may pay for students to travel)
==Notes from Updates==
Current Activities
* Wiki
** Access to request to Paul Butler, will be approved, otherwise bots overrun
** Major effort to upgrade
* Webpages
** Moved to CanSAS github.io
** Simpler to add editors now
** Cansas.org is now “owned” by university
* Mailing list
** Mailman2 version had too high maintenance
** Moved to Google Groups, mostly unused
** SESANS using jicsmail, does not have a generic sign up page ( will look into this)
** New attempt with MailMan3 in progress
* SAS Portal Project
** Software page especially popular (7k/year, 65k/year visits on front page)
* new.smallangles.org - major refactor with updating and porting in process
* Github (cansas), mostly for data formats
* Tutorials, lots of interest, but no-one stepped up to do so under the canSAS organization
* Draft for resolution paper
* Will need help for determining services

==Notes from Discussion==

=Sample Environments - Nick Terrill (Diamond)==
==Notes from Updates==
* Subgroup RheoSAS
** Met with Anton Paar to discuss SAS-Rheometer: Progress towards being able to communicate with
** Interested in doing a (virtual) working group subgroup meeting?
*** EPICS drivers
*** Direct control
*** Quartz cup and bob
*** Email to Katie.Weigandt, dedicated meeting late 2024 or early 2025

* User brought sample environments
** Problems: Not designed to be integrated, using different operating system, don’t use the right cables, triggered weirdly, user wants all variables saved with the facility data.
** EPICS Integrations - Diamond/ISIS working on this, ESS also experimenting with this (talk to ESS Sample Environments Team) - email Tim Snow
** Link with International Society of Sample Environments
==Notes from Discussion==
Link with International Society of Sample Environments

=Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)=
==Notes from Updates==
'''History'''
Formation in 2015, new iteration in 2024
Survey
* Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024
* Data set to be published
* SANS, and 2 types of SAXS sources are represented
* So far only Europe and North America, GISANS
'''ToDo list:'''
* Contact previously active people
* Increase diversity
* Finding modus of operandi
* Establish Mailing list
==Notes from Discussion==
* Paul Butler(NIST):Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering than for evanescent wave
* Annika Stellhorn(ESS): Discussion on standards?
* Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons

=Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)==
=Notes from Updates=
* Used to be called “Standardization”
* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
* Joe Klein: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer
** Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)
** Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.
** Provide estimated pith for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration
* Glassy Carbon round robin - circulated through CanSAS community
* Candidates for other test sample
** Needs to be reproducible
* Recruitment of participants
* Further standards for intensity or momentum transfer?
* Different ways of round robins
** Blind can have a use
** Revising data reduction, reported again, activity is useful
* Talk about reduction in context of round robin
==Notes from Discussion==

=General Discussion=
Finished producing some drivers, running on SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol, ISSE, Octopies, told it does not work. Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at Oakridge - seems to not be fully standard as a protocol.
EPICS drivers can be quite specific.
Additional layer may be needed

CanSAS: Facility members used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care.
Plug and play
Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread
Andrew Jackson, ESS: Todo on formats: No survey yet
Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.
Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons
1d data, often put out as ASCII
2d data is more complicated - Laid groundwork is important
Encourage adoption as a community
For synchrotron SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

Yun Liu (NIST): Is current practice viable for weak scattering? Push for throughput. Push limit in regards to intensity? Background is dominating in case of wake scatterers
Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform

Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?
Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.

Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): Link of existing videos?
Original idea of the portal was to fill in blanks and link to existing resources.

First WG Discussion

2024-11-09T15:38:50Z

Butler:

<big>'''Notes from canSAS 2024 First Working Group Discussion Session'''</big> 
'''Includes:'''
* Information and Dissemination
* Sample Environments
* Grazing Incidence
* Reproducibility and Reliability

__TOC__

=Information and Dissemination - Paul Butler (UD/NIST)=
==Notes pre-update==
Discussion on Recruiting students and postdoc, increase participation
* Anna Sokolova (ANSTO): Today’s CanSAS has no virtual attendance - How can more students and PostDocs be brought into the workshop?
* Mu-Ping Nieh (UConn): Suggestion to hold a workshop at University of Connecticut to draw in computer science and engineering students
Discussion on formalizing CanSAS as an organization
* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated
* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership donations from ESS, university of Uppsala
* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop
* Currently no Donate button, registration underway
* Grants (e.g. NSF may pay for students to travel)
==Notes from Updates==
Current Activities
* Wiki
** Access to request to Paul Butler, will be approved, otherwise bots overrun
** Major effort to upgrade
* Webpages
** Moved to CanSAS github.io
** Simpler to add editors now
** Cansas.org is now “owned” by university
* Mailing list
** Mailman2 version had too high maintenance
** Moved to Google Groups, mostly unused
** SESANS using jicsmail, does not have a generic sign up page ( will look into this)
** New attempt with MailMan3 in progress
* SAS Portal Project
** Software page especially popular (7k/year, 65k/year visits on front page)
* new.smallangles.org - major refactor with updating and porting in process
* Github (cansas), mostly for data formats
* Tutorials, lots of interest, but no-one stepped up to do so under the canSAS organization
* Draft for resolution paper
* Will need help for determining services

==Notes from Discussion==

=Sample Environments - Nick Terrill (Diamond)==
==Notes from Updates==
* Subgroup RheoSAS
** Met with Anton Paar to discuss SAS-Rheometer: Progress towards being able to communicate with
** Interested in doing a (virtual) working group subgroup meeting?
*** EPICS drivers
*** Direct control
*** Quartz cup and bob
*** Email to Katie.Weigandt, dedicated meeting late 2024 or early 2025

* User brought sample environments
** Problems: Not designed to be integrated, using different operating system, don’t use the right cables, triggered weirdly, user wants all variables saved with the facility data.
** EPICS Integrations - Diamond/ISIS working on this, ESS also experimenting with this (talk to ESS Sample Environments Team) - email Tim Snow
** Link with International Society of Sample Environments
=Notes from Discussion=
Link with International Society of Sample Environments

==Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)==
=Notes from Updates=
History
Formation in 2015, new iteration in 2024
Survey
Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024
Data set to be published
SANS, and 2 types of SAXS sources are represented
So far only Europe and North America, GISANS
ToDo list:
Contact previously active people
Increase diversity
Finding modus of operandi
Establish Mailing list
GISAS: Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering
Notes from Discussion

Annika Stellhorn: Discussion on standards?
Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons

Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)
Notes from Updates
Used to be called “Standardization”
Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
Joe Klein: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer
Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)
Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.
Provide estimated pith for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration
Glassy Carbon round robin - circulated through CanSAS community
Candidates for other test sample
Needs to be replicated
Recruitment for participants
Further standards for intensity or momentum transfer.
Different ways of round robins
Blind can have a use
Revising data reduction, reported again, activity is useful
Talk about reduction in context of round robin
Notes from Discussion

General Discussion
Finished producing some drivers, running on SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol, ISSE, Octopies, told it does not work. Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at Oakridge - seems to not be fully standard as a protocol.
EPICS drivers can be quite specific.
Additional layer may be needed

CanSAS: Facility members used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care.
Plug and play
Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread
Andrew Jackson, ESS: Todo on formats: No survey yet
Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.
Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons
1d data, often put out as ASCII
2d data is more complicated - Laid groundwork is important
Encourage adoption as a community
For synchrotron SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

Yun Liu (NIST): Is current practice viable for weak scattering? Push for throughput. Push limit in regards to intensity? Background is dominating in case of wake scatterers
Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform

Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?
Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.

Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): Link of existing videos?
Original idea of the portal was to fill in blanks and link to existing resources.

canSAS-XIV

2024-11-08T16:22:38Z

Butler:

As usual canSAS will hold some events in conjunction with the triennial [https://www.sas2024.tw/ SAS2024] meeting being held in Taipei Taiwan from 3-8 November 2024. canSAS-XIV will include a half day session on Sunday prior to the meeting and an open informational lunch session on Monday.

__TOC__

= Purpose =

The acronym canSAS stands for ''collective action for nomadic Small Angle Scatterers''. It is a bottom-up effort originally initiated in Grenoble by Ron Ghosh (ILL), Roland May (ILL), Peter Timmins (ILL), Claudio Ferrero (ESRF) and Wim Bras (DUBBLE CRG) in 1998. Ever since it has been an ongoing activity to provide the small-angle scattering user community with shared tools for data reduction and analysis, and disseminating other pertinent information (https://www.cansas.org). Lately the focus has been on data analysis and modelling software, instrument resolution corrections and other issues related to data interpretation.

A several day independent meeting is held every few years while shorter meetings are planned at the triennial SAS conferences to take advantage of the convening of the larger community as a whole.

= Activities =

* [[2024_Worshop | Sunday Workshop]]
* [[media:canSAS2024Lunch.pdf | Monday Lunch presentation]]

= Session notes =

== Databases session: ==

Fair data - there are checkers available for example www/f-uji.net/

Public databases:
Catalog of fair databases: fairsharing.org brings up two databases, SASPDB and [xx?]
simplescattering.com
Zenodo also contains 14k datasets, also software.

Local databases:
SciCat: possibility to catalog datasets and instruments.
Tiled: data access framework linked to BlueSky, future connection with scicat will be done.

- A publicly accessible (scicat) catalog would be useful for labs to catalog public scattering datasets in.
- This could be taken up as part of the International Scattering Alliance, certainly falls within its remit. Needs a document to specify what is needed, what should be uploaded to it, and how much it would cost.
- Data to include in this would be (corrected, well-documented) data on easily accessible samples. This could include single phases (backgrounds) like water, hexane, toluene, acetone, PEG-DA, scotch tape, etc., and also reference samples such as the silver nanoparticle solutions. The datasets and samples should be well-described and ideally complete with a data processing graph.
- There should be a provision to add annotations (text, keywords, flags) to datasets, this could say a lot about the human interpretation of given datasets.
- This (and other well-documented databases) could have benefits for the third “user” group: the group of people that need your data to train ML systems.
- All databases need to have a good user interface that actually addresses the need of the user. Once you build that, and the user sees the benefit they get from this, they will come. For example, MX people cannot work without their dashboards. FAIR-compliant user interfaces need to become easy enough to use that it becomes prohibitively hard for the user not to follow the recommended pathway.
- We might need guidelines on how to describe a sample sufficiently well, so that they can be used in the analysis. This data, and the (corrected, fully described) data should be made available in a public repository at the latest at the time of publication.

= Organising Committee =

* Paul Butler (NIST)
* U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
* Orion Shih (NSRRC)
* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala U)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Wojciech Potrzebowski (SciLifeLab)

File:canSAS2024Lunch.pdf

2024-11-08T16:20:19Z

Butler: Lunchtime update presentation at SAS2024

== Summary ==
Lunchtime update presentation at SAS2024

2024 Worshop

2024-11-07T15:53:13Z

Butler:

== Agenda ==
{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 09:15 - 09:25
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NIST-CNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Welcome and Plan Of the Day - U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
|-
! 09:25 - 09:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| canSAS Introduction and Background- Paul Butler (UD/NCNR) [[media:canSAS2024-KickOff.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! rowspan="4"|09:45 - 10:25
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Information and Dissemination Paul Butler (UD/NIST) [[media:canSAS2024 InformationAndDisseminationWG.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Sample Environments Nick Terrill (Diamond)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Grazing Incidence Anja Hörmann (BAM) [[media:canSAS GISAS Hormann.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Reproducibility and Reliability Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) [[media:canSAS Repr Rel report 2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! 10:25 - 10:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/scribe:'' Andrew Jackson (ESS) and '''Wiebke Koepp (LBL)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[First WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 10:45 - 11:15
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! rowspan="4"|11:15 - 11:55
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Volker Urban (ORNL)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Data Formats Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| TOF SANS Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:TOFWG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| SESANS Wim Bouwman (Delft) [[media:SESANSWG canSAS2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Tomography Tim Snow (Diamond)
|-
! 11:55 - 12:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Steve King (ISIS) and '''Annika Stelhorn (ESS)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[Second WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 12:15 - 12:25
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
|-
! 12:25 - 12:40
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | LUNCH
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Pick up lunch boxes in hall
|-
! 12:40 - 13:05
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Working LUNCH ''Moderator/Scribe:'' '''Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)''' and '''Andrew Jackson'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Lunch Discussion | Lunch Discussion]] (next general meeting (canSASXV) etc)
|-
! 13:05 - 13:35
| rowspan="2" align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:sokolova SAS2024 CanSAS reduction for WiKi.pdf | Data Reduction]] Anna Sokolova (ANSTO) ''Scribe:'' '''Sylvain Prevost (ILL)''' [[Data Reduction Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 13:35 - 14:05
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:CanSAS DataBase Discussion.pdf | Databases]] Wiebke Koepp (LBL) ''Scribe:'' '''Brian Pauw (BAM)''' [[Databases Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 14:05 - 14:35
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! 14:35 - 15:05
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:canSAS2024 AIandMLinSAS Discussion.pdf| AI/ML in SAS]] Peter Beaucage (NIST) ''Scribe:'' '''TBA''' [[AI Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 15:05 - 15:25
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Tim Snow (Diamond) and '''Andrew Smith (Diamond)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Topical Discussion | Discuss/define possible needs for action]]
|-
! 15:25 - 15:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque"| Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) and Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
| style="background:bisque" | [[Final Discussion | Going Forward]]
* Call for workshops
* Call for volunteers/sign up to mailing lists
|-
! 15:45
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | ADJOURN and breakout discussions
| style="background:#f2f2f2" |Formal/informal WG discussions
|-
! 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | SAS-2024 OPENING RECEPTION
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Ongoing informal discussions and party
|}

File:canSAS2024 AIandMLinSAS Discussion.pdf

2024-11-07T15:49:54Z

Butler: AI/ML for SAS discussion session at SAS2024

== Summary ==
AI/ML for SAS discussion session at SAS2024

File:SESANSWG canSAS2024.pdf

2024-11-07T15:48:59Z

Butler: SESANS WG presentation at SAS2024

== Summary ==
SESANS WG presentation at SAS2024

2024 Worshop

2024-11-06T13:46:10Z

Butler:

== Agenda ==
{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 09:15 - 09:25
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NIST-CNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Welcome and Plan Of the Day - U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
|-
! 09:25 - 09:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| canSAS Introduction and Background- Paul Butler (UD/NCNR) [[media:canSAS2024-KickOff.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! rowspan="4"|09:45 - 10:25
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Information and Dissemination Paul Butler (UD/NIST) [[media:canSAS2024 InformationAndDisseminationWG.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Sample Environments Nick Terrill (Diamond)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Grazing Incidence Anja Hörmann (BAM) [[media:canSAS GISAS Hormann.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Reproducibility and Reliability Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) [[media:canSAS Repr Rel report 2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! 10:25 - 10:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/scribe:'' Andrew Jackson (ESS) and '''Wiebke Koepp (LBL)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[First WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 10:45 - 11:15
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! rowspan="4"|11:15 - 11:55
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Volker Urban (ORNL)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Data Formats Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| TOF SANS Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:TOFWG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| SESANS Wim Bouwman (Delft)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Tomography Tim Snow (Diamond)
|-
! 11:55 - 12:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Steve King (ISIS) and '''Annika Stelhorn (ESS)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[Second WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 12:15 - 12:25
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
|-
! 12:25 - 12:40
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | LUNCH
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Pick up lunch boxes in hall
|-
! 12:40 - 13:05
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Working LUNCH ''Moderator/Scribe:'' '''Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)''' and '''Andrew Jackson'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Lunch Discussion | Lunch Discussion]] (next general meeting (canSASXV) etc)
|-
! 13:05 - 13:35
| rowspan="2" align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:sokolova SAS2024 CanSAS reduction for WiKi.pdf | Data Reduction]] Anna Sokolova (ANSTO) ''Scribe:'' '''Sylvain Prevost (ILL)''' [[Data Reduction Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 13:35 - 14:05
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:CanSAS DataBase Discussion.pdf | Databases]] Wiebke Koepp (LBL) ''Scribe:'' '''Brian Pauw (BAM)''' [[Databases Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 14:05 - 14:35
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! 14:35 - 15:05
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | AI/ML in SAS Peter Beaucage (NIST) ''Scribe:'' '''TBA''' [[AI Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 15:05 - 15:25
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Tim Snow (Diamond) and '''Andrew Smith (Diamond)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Topical Discussion | Discuss/define possible needs for action]]
|-
! 15:25 - 15:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque"| Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) and Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
| style="background:bisque" | [[Final Discussion | Going Forward]]
* Call for workshops
* Call for volunteers/sign up to mailing lists
|-
! 15:45
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | ADJOURN and breakout discussions
| style="background:#f2f2f2" |Formal/informal WG discussions
|-
! 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | SAS-2024 OPENING RECEPTION
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Ongoing informal discussions and party
|}

2024 Worshop

2024-11-06T13:42:50Z

Butler:

== Agenda ==
{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 09:15 - 09:25
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NIST-CNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Welcome and Plan Of the Day - U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
|-
! 09:25 - 09:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| canSAS Introduction and Background- Paul Butler (UD/NCNR) [[media:canSAS2024-KickOff.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! rowspan="4"|09:45 - 10:25
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Information and Dissemination Paul Butler (UD/NIST) [[media:canSAS2024 InformationAndDisseminationWG.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Sample Environments Nick Terrill (Diamond)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Grazing Incidence Anja Hörmann (BAM) [[media:canSAS GISAS Hormann.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Reproducibility and Reliability Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) [[media:canSAS Repr Rel report 2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! 10:25 - 10:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/scribe:'' Andrew Jackson (ESS) and '''Wiebke Koepp (LBL)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[First WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 10:45 - 11:15
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! rowspan="4"|11:15 - 11:55
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Volker Urban (ORNL)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Data Formats Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| TOF SANS Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| SESANS Wim Bouwman (Delft)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Tomography Tim Snow (Diamond)
|-
! 11:55 - 12:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Steve King (ISIS) and '''Annika Stelhorn (ESS)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[Second WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 12:15 - 12:25
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
|-
! 12:25 - 12:40
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | LUNCH
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Pick up lunch boxes in hall
|-
! 12:40 - 13:05
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Working LUNCH ''Moderator/Scribe:'' '''Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)''' and '''Andrew Jackson'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Lunch Discussion | Lunch Discussion]] (next general meeting (canSASXV) etc)
|-
! 13:05 - 13:35
| rowspan="2" align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:sokolova SAS2024 CanSAS reduction for WiKi.pdf | Data Reduction]] Anna Sokolova (ANSTO) ''Scribe:'' '''Sylvain Prevost (ILL)''' [[Data Reduction Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 13:35 - 14:05
| style="background:#e4dfec" | [[media:CanSAS DataBase Discussion.pdf | Databases]] Wiebke Koepp (LBL) ''Scribe:'' '''Brian Pauw (BAM)''' [[Databases Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 14:05 - 14:35
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! 14:35 - 15:05
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | AI/ML in SAS Peter Beaucage (NIST) ''Scribe:'' '''TBA''' [[AI Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 15:05 - 15:25
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Tim Snow (Diamond) and '''Andrew Smith (Diamond)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Topical Discussion | Discuss/define possible needs for action]]
|-
! 15:25 - 15:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque"| Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) and Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
| style="background:bisque" | [[Final Discussion | Going Forward]]
* Call for workshops
* Call for volunteers/sign up to mailing lists
|-
! 15:45
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | ADJOURN and breakout discussions
| style="background:#f2f2f2" |Formal/informal WG discussions
|-
! 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | SAS-2024 OPENING RECEPTION
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Ongoing informal discussions and party
|}

File:canSAS2024 InformationAndDisseminationWG.pdf

2024-11-06T13:31:59Z

Butler: Information and Dissemination WG presentation

== Summary ==
Information and Dissemination WG presentation

File:canSAS2024-KickOff.pdf

2024-11-06T13:30:25Z

Butler: Intro to canSAS slides

== Summary ==
Intro to canSAS slides

2024 Worshop

2024-11-06T12:52:40Z

Butler:

== Agenda ==
{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 09:15 - 09:25
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NIST-CNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Welcome and Plan Of the Day - U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
|-
! 09:25 - 09:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| canSAS Introduction and Background- Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
|-
! rowspan="4"|09:45 - 10:25
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Information and Dissemination Paul Butler (UD/NIST) 
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Sample Environments Nick Terrill (Diamond)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Grazing Incidence Anja Hörmann (BAM)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Reproducibility and Reliability Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) [[media:canSAS Repr Rel report 2024.pdf | Presentation slides]]
|-
! 10:25 - 10:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/scribe:'' Andrew Jackson (ESS) and '''Wiebke Koepp (LBL)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[First WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 10:45 - 11:15
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! rowspan="4"|11:15 - 11:55
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Volker Urban (ORNL)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Data Formats Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf|Presentation slides]]
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| TOF SANS Andrew Jackson (ESS)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| SESANS Wim Bouwman (Delft)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Tomography Tim Snow (Diamond)
|-
! 11:55 - 12:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Steve King (ISIS) and '''Annika Stelhorn (ESS)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[Second WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 12:15 - 12:25
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
|-
! 12:25 - 12:40
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | LUNCH
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Pick up lunch boxes in hall
|-
! 12:40 - 13:05
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Working LUNCH ''Moderator/Scribe:'' '''Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)''' and '''Andrew Jackson'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Lunch Discussion | Lunch Discussion]] (next general meeting (canSASXV) etc)
|-
! 13:05 - 13:35
| rowspan="2" align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | Data Reduction Anna Sokolova (ANSTO) ''Scribe:'' '''Sylvain Prevost (ILL)''' [[Data Reduction Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 13:35 - 14:05
| style="background:#e4dfec" | Databases Wiebke Koepp (LBL) ''Scribe:'' '''Brian Pauw (BAM)''' [[Databases Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 14:05 - 14:35
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! 14:35 - 15:05
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | AI/ML in SAS Peter Beaucage (NIST) ''Scribe:'' '''TBA''' [[AI Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 15:05 - 15:25
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Tim Snow (Diamond) and '''Andrew Smith (Diamond)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Topical Discussion | Discuss/define possible needs for action]]
|-
! 15:25 - 15:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque"| Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) and Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
| style="background:bisque" | [[Final Discussion | Going Forward]]
* Call for workshops
* Call for volunteers/sign up to mailing lists
|-
! 15:45
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | ADJOURN and breakout discussions
| style="background:#f2f2f2" |Formal/informal WG discussions
|-
! 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | SAS-2024 OPENING RECEPTION
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Ongoing informal discussions and party
|}

2024 Worshop

2024-11-06T06:23:38Z

Butler:

== Agenda ==
{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 09:15 - 09:25
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NIST-CNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Welcome and Plan Of the Day - U-Ser Jeng (NSRRC)
|-
! 09:25 - 09:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | Introduction ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| canSAS Introduction and Background- Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
|-
! rowspan="4"|09:45 - 10:25
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Liz Kelley (NCNR)
| style="background:#dce6f1" | Information and Dissemination Paul Butler (UD/NIST) 
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Sample Environments Nick Terrill (Diamond)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Grazing Incidence Anja Hörmann (BAM)
|-
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Reproducibility and Reliability Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) [[File:canSAS Repr Rel report 2024.pdf|thumb|alt=Presentation slides|Presentation slides]]
|-
! 10:25 - 10:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/scribe:'' Andrew Jackson (ESS) and '''Wiebke Koepp (LBL)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[First WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
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! 10:45 - 11:15
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! rowspan="4"|11:15 - 11:55
| rowspan="4" align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" |Working Group Status Updates (~ 8 min + 2 min questions each) ''Session Chair:'' Volker Urban (ORNL)
| style="background:#dce6f1"| Data Formats Andrew Jackson (ESS) [[media:DWFG-update.pdf|Presentation slides]]
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| style="background:#dce6f1"| TOF SANS Andrew Jackson (ESS)
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| style="background:#dce6f1"| SESANS Wim Bouwman (Delft)
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| style="background:#dce6f1"| Tomography Tim Snow (Diamond)
|-
! 11:55 - 12:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Steve King (ISIS) and '''Annika Stelhorn (ESS)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | General [[Second WG Discussion | Discussion]] on Working Group presentations
|-
! 12:15 - 12:25
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Group Photo
|-
! 12:25 - 12:40
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | LUNCH
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Pick up lunch boxes in hall
|-
! 12:40 - 13:05
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Working LUNCH ''Moderator/Scribe:'' '''Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)''' and '''Andrew Jackson'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Lunch Discussion | Lunch Discussion]] (next general meeting (canSASXV) etc)
|-
! 13:05 - 13:35
| rowspan="2" align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | Data Reduction Anna Sokolova (ANSTO) ''Scribe:'' '''Sylvain Prevost (ILL)''' [[Data Reduction Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 13:35 - 14:05
| style="background:#e4dfec" | Databases Wiebke Koepp (LBL) ''Scribe:'' '''Brian Pauw (BAM)''' [[Databases Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 14:05 - 14:35
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | Break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | coffee/tea
|-
! 14:35 - 15:05
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | Topical Presentations/Discussions: 5 to 20 min presentation followed by discussion for each ''Session Chair:'' Anja Hörmann (BAM)
| style="background:#e4dfec" | AI/ML in SAS Peter Beaucage (NIST) ''Scribe:'' '''TBA''' [[AI Notes | Notes]]
|-
! 15:05 - 15:25
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Tim Snow (Diamond) and '''Andrew Smith (Diamond)'''
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | [[Topical Discussion | Discuss/define possible needs for action]]
|-
! 15:25 - 15:45
| align="center" style="background:bisque"| Discussion ''Moderator/Scribe:'' Adrian Rennie (Uppsala) and Paul Butler (UD/NCNR)
| style="background:bisque" | [[Final Discussion | Going Forward]]
* Call for workshops
* Call for volunteers/sign up to mailing lists
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! 15:45
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | ADJOURN and breakout discussions
| style="background:#f2f2f2" |Formal/informal WG discussions
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! 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | SAS-2024 OPENING RECEPTION
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | Ongoing informal discussions and party
|}

File:CanSAS DataBase Discussion.pdf

2024-11-05T16:23:55Z

Butler: Wiebke's database topical discussion at canSAS2024

== Summary ==
Wiebke's database topical discussion at canSAS2024

File:canSAS GISAS Hormann.pdf

2024-11-05T16:18:57Z

Butler: Anja Hormann GISAS WG update for canSAS2024

== Summary ==
Anja Hormann GISAS WG update for canSAS2024

File:TOFWG-update.pdf

2024-11-05T16:16:27Z

Butler: Andrew Jackson TOF SANS WG update at canSAS2024

== Summary ==
Andrew Jackson TOF SANS WG update at canSAS2024

File:DWFG-update.pdf

2024-11-05T16:15:20Z

Butler: Andrew Jackson update on the DF working group for canSAS2024

== Summary ==
Andrew Jackson update on the DF working group for canSAS2024

File:sokolova SAS2024 CanSAS reduction for WiKi.pdf

2024-11-05T16:09:09Z

Butler: Anna SOklolova's talk on data reduction topical discussion at canSAS2024

== Summary ==
Anna SOklolova's talk on data reduction topical discussion at canSAS2024