canSAS - User contributions [en]

Information and Dissemination Working Group

2012-08-02T18:07:39Z

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===Members===
* Paul Butler (NIST, chair)
* Andrew Jackson (ESS)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Duncan McGillivray (University of Auckland)
* Maja Hellsing (Uppsala University)
* Masaaki Sugiyama (Kyoto University)

===The Portal===
The portal has gone live: it can be found at http://smallangle.org

===News/Status===
* [http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/2012_Web_Discussion canSAS-2012 discussion]
* SAS software site hosting old CCP13 content (http://www.small-angle.ac.uk) is to be merged with smallangles.net and expanded to be a true SAS information portal
* Ralf Schweins has agreed to take up the world directory of SANS instruments project. This is available at:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

===September 2009 update===
At the facilities representatives discussion group, and pursued further at the canSAS discussions at the 2009 SAS meeting in Oxford, Paul Butler agreed to find some funds to get a student to start the process of putting up the first draft of a portal. The first action was to choose an appropriate domain name that would be easy to remember as '''THE''' SAS site. smallangle.org was suggested, the availability verified and the domain purchased. It was agreed that the front page should be a landing page that then allowed easy navigation to whatever SAS information was being sought. After a small brainstorming session, it was agreed that the next step was to implement those first ideas and then pass by the facilities representatives group for a first cut at polishing before advertising to the SAS mailing list and to all SAS beamline scientists possible. Some of the ideas for the first go include:
*listing of available SAS analysis software with links
*listing of resources for learning SAS techniques/SAS bibliography
*access to the SAS mailing list archive
*instructions on how to join the sas mailing list and a link to the joining page
*upcoming meetings of interest to the SAS community (a web form allowing people to upload information on their meeting was suggested)
*Link to the world directory of small-angle neutron scattering facilities
**this has recently been updated. Facilities are encouraged to send updates to Ralf Schweins
**No equivalent SAXS directory seems to exist. Pete Jemian is planning on addressing that, perhaps under the IUCR aegis
*information about canSAS, its efforts and links to working group pages
*Link to web site of SAS commission of IUCR
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2012-07-31T12:58:44Z

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==General Thoughts==
AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

ARR - Here are some preliminary ideas for extra metadata to put on the site:

<nowiki><META name="description" content="Portal for small angle scattering - information and resources"> </nowiki>

<nowiki><META name="keywords" content="SAS, SAXS, SANS, reflection, facilities, beam lines, instruments, programs, software, conferences, jobs, news"> </nowiki>

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===Dates meetings and calendar===

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===Learn about Small Angle Scattering===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

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===Instruments and facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

There is a page listing neutron reflectometers and software for neutron reflectometry at: http://material.fysik.uu.se/Group_members/adrian/reflect.htm .

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Facilities and their SAS & Refelctometery instruments

ISIS: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/
SANS
LOQ: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/loq/
SANS2d: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/sans2d/
NIMROD: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/nimrod/nimrod2468.html
Lamor (NSE-SANS, in coming): http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/larmor/larmor8239.html
Reflecrometer
CRIPS: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/crisp/crisp2466.html
Inter: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/inter/inter2471.html
Offspec (with NSE): http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/offspec/offspec3048.html
Polref: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/offspec/offspec3048.html
Surf: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/surf/surf2469.html

Institut Laue-Langevin (ILL): http://www.ill.eu/
SANS
D11: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d11/
D22: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d22/
D33(in coming): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d33/
D16: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d16/
Reflectometer
Super Advanced Reflectometer for the Analysis of Materials:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/superadam/
D17: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d17/
FIGARO (Fluid Interfaces Grazing Angles ReflectOmeter):
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/figaro/

Laboratoire Leon Brillouin, Saclay, CEA http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/
SANS
Pace: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer (isotropic scattering)
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/pace-llb.pdf
Paxy: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer (high resolution)
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/paxy-llb.pdf
Paxe: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/paxe-llb.pdf
TPA : Very Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer TPA : Very Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer
Reflectometer
Eros: Time of flight reflectometer http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/eros-llb.pdf
Prism: 2 axis with polarized neutrons and polarization analysis
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/prism-llb.pdf

FRMII http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/index.html
Julich Centre for Neutron Science http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/EN/Home/home_node.html
SANS
KWS-1 High resolution Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS1/_node.html
KWS-2 High intensity Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS2/_node.html
KWS-3 Very Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS3/_node.html
SANS-1 http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/sans-1/index.html
Reflectometer
MARIA Magnetic Reflectometer with high Incident Angle
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/MARIA/_node.html
REFSANS http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/refsans/index.html
N-REX+ http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/n-rex/index.html
Booklet http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/experimental-facilities-booklet/index.html

SINQ: The Swiss Spallation Neutron Source http://www.psi.ch/sinq/
SANS
SANS-I Small-angle neutron scattering camera, 40m
http://kur.web.psi.ch/sans1/
SANS-II Small-angle neutron scattering camera, 12m
http://kur.web.psi.ch/sans2/
Reflectometer
AMOR Apparatus for multi optional reflectometry http://kur.web.psi.ch/amor/
MORPHEUS 2-axes neutron diffractometer & reflectometer, zero-field spin-echo as future option
http://kur.web.psi.ch/morpheus/
NARZISS Polarized neutron reflectometer http://kur.web.psi.ch/narziss/

NIST Center for Neutron Research http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/
SANS
NG3 SANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/ng3-sans-small-angle-neutron-scattering.cfm
NG7 SANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/ng7sans.cfm
BT5 USANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/bt5-usans-ultra-small-angle-neutron-scattering.cfm
Reflectometer
NGD Off-Specular Reflectometer(MAGIK) http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/
NG-1 Reflectometer (Polarized) http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/ng1refl/
NG7 Horizontal Neutron Reflectometer http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/ng7refl/

Oak Rdge National Laboratory (ORNL): http://www.sns.gov/
SNS: http://www.sns.gov/facilities/SNS/
SANS
EQ-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/SNS/EQ-SANS/
USANS(in coming): http://www.sns.gov/tofusans/
Reflecrometer
LR(Liquid Refelctometer: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/SNS/LR/
HFIR http://neutrons.ornl.gov/facilities/HFIR/
SANS
GP-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/HFIR/CG2/
Bio-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/HFIR/CG3/

Los Alamos Neutron Science Center: http://lansce.lanl.gov/
Lujian Neutron Center: http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/index.shtml
SANS
Low-Q Diffractometer(LQD): http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/LQD.shtml
Reflectometers
Asterix(Polarized): http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/ASTERIX.shtml
Surface Profile Analysis Reflectometer(SPEAR):
http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/SPEAR.shtml

NRC Canadian Neutron Beam Centre: http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/cnbc.html
Reflecrometer
D3 Reflectometer: http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/facilities/cnbc/spectrometers/d3.html

===News===

Small angle scattering mailling list server archive and instructions for joining: http://www.iucr.org/__data/iucr/lists/sa_scat/

ATSAS forums at EMBL: http://www.saxier.org/forum/
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===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

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===Software===

Small Angle Scattering toolbox: http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

List of SAS software (ISIS): http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software.html

{| border="1"
|+'''For SAS Data Reduction & Visualisation'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
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! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
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| BS-2D
| A Windows-based version of BSL.
| N Koubassova
| [http://muscle.imec.msu.ru/bs_1.htm Documentation]
| [http://muscle.imec.msu.ru/bs_1.htm W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
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| BSL
| An antiquated line-mode data manipulation package developed for 2D SAXS image data.
| J Bordas & G Mant
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software/BSL.html Documentation]
| n/a
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/linux/bsl-tar/bsl.tar.gz Linux]
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/solaris7/bsl.Z Solaris]
| n/a
|-
| FIT2D
| General-purpose & specialist data analysis and visualisation program.
| A Hammersley
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/ Documentation]
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/windows.html W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/windows.html OSX]
|-
| GDA
| A customisable Jython-based software framework to operate experiments on synchrotron facilities, visualise and analyse the data.
| [http://www.opengda.org/ opengda.org]
| [http://www.opengda.org/OpenGDA/Documentation.html Documentation]
| n/a
| [http://www.opengda.org/OpenGDA/Download.html Linux]
| n/a
| n/a
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| Mantid
| MantidPlot is a version of [http://soft.proindependent.com/qtiplot.html QtiPlot] customised to present a technique-independent data analysis framework for Neutron and Muon data. It is built around C++/Python and supports Python plugins and scripting.
| [http://www.mantidproject.org/Main_Page mantidproject.org]
| [http://www.mantidproject.org/Documentation Documentation]
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ W32/W64]
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ Redhat/Ubuntu]
| n/a
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ OSX]
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| XOTOKO
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{| border="1"
|+'''For Model-Fitting SAS Data'''
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! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
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| FISH
| A sophisticated, tried & tested, model-fitting program with a Java GUI.
| R Heenan
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software/FISH.html Documentation]
| [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/downloads/Request.aspx?name=Fish_win32 W32]
| [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/downloads/Request.aspx?name=Fish_linux32 Linux]
| n/a
| n/a
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| SANSView
| A sophisticated model-fitting program built around C++/Python, supporting Python model plugins, and utilising NIST-developed model functions.
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/contact.html DANSE SANS Project]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html Documentation]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html W32/W64]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html Linux]
| n/a
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html OSX]
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Analysing SAS from Bio-molecular & Fibre Systems'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
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! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
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| ATSAS
| A program suite for small-angle scattering data analysis from biological macromolecules.
| D Svergun
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html Programs]
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html W32/W64]
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html Redhat/Ubuntu/Debian]
| n/a
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html OSX]
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| FD2BSL
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| CCP13
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| FDSCALE
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| CCP13
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| FTOREC
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| CCP13
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| FibreFix
| A GUI-driven program environment integrating XCONV, XFIX, FTOREC & LSQINT. ''NB: requires MS .NET Framework 1 which is incompatible with Windows 7''.
| CCP13
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| HELIX
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| CCP13
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| LSQINT
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| CCP13
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| MusLABEL
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| CCP13
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| Sample
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| CCP13
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| WinLALS
| Linked-Atom Least-Squares (LALS) program for building molecular and crystal structures of helical polymers and refining them to fit X-ray fiber diffraction data.
| K Okuyama
| [http://www.chem.sci.osaka-u.ac.jp/lab/okuyama/en/winlals/index.html Documentation]
| [http://www.chem.sci.osaka-u.ac.jp/lab/okuyama/en/winlals/index.html W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Analysing Other Types of SAS Data'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
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! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
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| CORFUNC
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| CCP13
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| CORFUNC Java
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| CCP13
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| XFIT
| A GUI-driven peak-fitting program.
| CCP13
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{| border="1"
|+'''Utilities'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
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! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
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| CELLREF
| Lattice refinement routine.
| K Gardner
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| DSPACE
| Calculates and sorts d-spacings.
| K Gardner
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| EXPAND
| Expands a BSL format data frame.
| D Marvin
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| FIT2D2RKH
| Simple utility to convert FIT2D ASCII format data into ISIS SANS ASCII format data. ''Useful as a prelude to converting the data into BSL format with XCONV''.
| S King
| n/a
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/windows/fit2d2rkh.zip W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
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| XCONV
| Converts several different X-ray detector (and reduced ISIS SANS) data formats to BSL format.
| CCP13
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| XML Loader
| For loading SASXML format data into IGOR
| M Wasbrough
| Documentation
| IGOR ipf
| n/a
| n/a
| IGOR ipf
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|}
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Link to a list of reflectometry software:
http://material.fysik.uu.se/Group_members/adrian/reflect.htm#Analysis

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2012-07-31T12:58:24Z

Dmcg026: /* News */

==General Thoughts==
AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

ARR - Here are some preliminary ideas for extra metadata to put on the site:

<nowiki><META name="description" content="Portal for small angle scattering - information and resources"> </nowiki>

<nowiki><META name="keywords" content="SAS, SAXS, SANS, reflection, facilities, beam lines, instruments, programs, software, conferences, jobs, news"> </nowiki>

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===Dates meetings and calendar===

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===Learn about Small Angle Scattering===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

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===Instruments and facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

There is a page listing neutron reflectometers and software for neutron reflectometry at: http://material.fysik.uu.se/Group_members/adrian/reflect.htm .

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Facilities and their SAS & Refelctometery instruments

ISIS: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/
SANS
LOQ: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/loq/
SANS2d: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/sans2d/
NIMROD: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/nimrod/nimrod2468.html
Lamor (NSE-SANS, in coming): http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/larmor/larmor8239.html
Reflecrometer
CRIPS: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/crisp/crisp2466.html
Inter: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/inter/inter2471.html
Offspec (with NSE): http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/offspec/offspec3048.html
Polref: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/offspec/offspec3048.html
Surf: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/surf/surf2469.html

Institut Laue-Langevin (ILL): http://www.ill.eu/
SANS
D11: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d11/
D22: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d22/
D33(in coming): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d33/
D16: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d16/
Reflectometer
Super Advanced Reflectometer for the Analysis of Materials:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/superadam/
D17: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d17/
FIGARO (Fluid Interfaces Grazing Angles ReflectOmeter):
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/figaro/

Laboratoire Leon Brillouin, Saclay, CEA http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/
SANS
Pace: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer (isotropic scattering)
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/pace-llb.pdf
Paxy: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer (high resolution)
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/paxy-llb.pdf
Paxe: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/paxe-llb.pdf
TPA : Very Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer TPA : Very Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer
Reflectometer
Eros: Time of flight reflectometer http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/eros-llb.pdf
Prism: 2 axis with polarized neutrons and polarization analysis
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/prism-llb.pdf

FRMII http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/index.html
Julich Centre for Neutron Science http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/EN/Home/home_node.html
SANS
KWS-1 High resolution Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS1/_node.html
KWS-2 High intensity Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS2/_node.html
KWS-3 Very Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS3/_node.html
SANS-1 http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/sans-1/index.html
Reflectometer
MARIA Magnetic Reflectometer with high Incident Angle
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/MARIA/_node.html
REFSANS http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/refsans/index.html
N-REX+ http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/n-rex/index.html
Booklet http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/experimental-facilities-booklet/index.html

SINQ: The Swiss Spallation Neutron Source http://www.psi.ch/sinq/
SANS
SANS-I Small-angle neutron scattering camera, 40m
http://kur.web.psi.ch/sans1/
SANS-II Small-angle neutron scattering camera, 12m
http://kur.web.psi.ch/sans2/
Reflectometer
AMOR Apparatus for multi optional reflectometry http://kur.web.psi.ch/amor/
MORPHEUS 2-axes neutron diffractometer & reflectometer, zero-field spin-echo as future option
http://kur.web.psi.ch/morpheus/
NARZISS Polarized neutron reflectometer http://kur.web.psi.ch/narziss/

NIST Center for Neutron Research http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/
SANS
NG3 SANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/ng3-sans-small-angle-neutron-scattering.cfm
NG7 SANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/ng7sans.cfm
BT5 USANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/bt5-usans-ultra-small-angle-neutron-scattering.cfm
Reflectometer
NGD Off-Specular Reflectometer(MAGIK) http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/
NG-1 Reflectometer (Polarized) http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/ng1refl/
NG7 Horizontal Neutron Reflectometer http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/ng7refl/

Oak Rdge National Laboratory (ORNL): http://www.sns.gov/
SNS: http://www.sns.gov/facilities/SNS/
SANS
EQ-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/SNS/EQ-SANS/
USANS(in coming): http://www.sns.gov/tofusans/
Reflecrometer
LR(Liquid Refelctometer: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/SNS/LR/
HFIR http://neutrons.ornl.gov/facilities/HFIR/
SANS
GP-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/HFIR/CG2/
Bio-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/HFIR/CG3/

Los Alamos Neutron Science Center: http://lansce.lanl.gov/
Lujian Neutron Center: http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/index.shtml
SANS
Low-Q Diffractometer(LQD): http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/LQD.shtml
Reflectometers
Asterix(Polarized): http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/ASTERIX.shtml
Surface Profile Analysis Reflectometer(SPEAR):
http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/SPEAR.shtml

NRC Canadian Neutron Beam Centre: http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/cnbc.html
Reflecrometer
D3 Reflectometer: http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/facilities/cnbc/spectrometers/d3.html

===News===

Small angle scattering mailling list server archive and instructions for joining: http://www.iucr.org/__data/iucr/lists/sa_scat/
ATSAS forums at EMBL: http://www.saxier.org/forum/
----

===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

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===Software===

Small Angle Scattering toolbox: http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

List of SAS software (ISIS): http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software.html

{| border="1"
|+'''For SAS Data Reduction & Visualisation'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| BS-2D
| A Windows-based version of BSL.
| N Koubassova
| [http://muscle.imec.msu.ru/bs_1.htm Documentation]
| [http://muscle.imec.msu.ru/bs_1.htm W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
|-
| BSL
| An antiquated line-mode data manipulation package developed for 2D SAXS image data.
| J Bordas & G Mant
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software/BSL.html Documentation]
| n/a
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/linux/bsl-tar/bsl.tar.gz Linux]
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/solaris7/bsl.Z Solaris]
| n/a
|-
| FIT2D
| General-purpose & specialist data analysis and visualisation program.
| A Hammersley
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/ Documentation]
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/windows.html W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/windows.html OSX]
|-
| GDA
| A customisable Jython-based software framework to operate experiments on synchrotron facilities, visualise and analyse the data.
| [http://www.opengda.org/ opengda.org]
| [http://www.opengda.org/OpenGDA/Documentation.html Documentation]
| n/a
| [http://www.opengda.org/OpenGDA/Download.html Linux]
| n/a
| n/a
|-
| Mantid
| MantidPlot is a version of [http://soft.proindependent.com/qtiplot.html QtiPlot] customised to present a technique-independent data analysis framework for Neutron and Muon data. It is built around C++/Python and supports Python plugins and scripting.
| [http://www.mantidproject.org/Main_Page mantidproject.org]
| [http://www.mantidproject.org/Documentation Documentation]
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ W32/W64]
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ Redhat/Ubuntu]
| n/a
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ OSX]
|-
| XOTOKO
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Model-Fitting SAS Data'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| FISH
| A sophisticated, tried & tested, model-fitting program with a Java GUI.
| R Heenan
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software/FISH.html Documentation]
| [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/downloads/Request.aspx?name=Fish_win32 W32]
| [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/downloads/Request.aspx?name=Fish_linux32 Linux]
| n/a
| n/a
|-
| SANSView
| A sophisticated model-fitting program built around C++/Python, supporting Python model plugins, and utilising NIST-developed model functions.
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/contact.html DANSE SANS Project]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html Documentation]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html W32/W64]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html Linux]
| n/a
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html OSX]
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Analysing SAS from Bio-molecular & Fibre Systems'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| ATSAS
| A program suite for small-angle scattering data analysis from biological macromolecules.
| D Svergun
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html Programs]
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html W32/W64]
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html Redhat/Ubuntu/Debian]
| n/a
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html OSX]
|-
| FD2BSL
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| FDSCALE
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| FTOREC
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| FibreFix
| A GUI-driven program environment integrating XCONV, XFIX, FTOREC & LSQINT. ''NB: requires MS .NET Framework 1 which is incompatible with Windows 7''.
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| HELIX
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| LSQINT
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| MusLABEL
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Sample
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| WinLALS
| Linked-Atom Least-Squares (LALS) program for building molecular and crystal structures of helical polymers and refining them to fit X-ray fiber diffraction data.
| K Okuyama
| [http://www.chem.sci.osaka-u.ac.jp/lab/okuyama/en/winlals/index.html Documentation]
| [http://www.chem.sci.osaka-u.ac.jp/lab/okuyama/en/winlals/index.html W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Analysing Other Types of SAS Data'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| CORFUNC
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| CORFUNC Java
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| XFIT
| A GUI-driven peak-fitting program.
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''Utilities'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| CELLREF
| Lattice refinement routine.
| K Gardner
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| DSPACE
| Calculates and sorts d-spacings.
| K Gardner
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| EXPAND
| Expands a BSL format data frame.
| D Marvin
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| FIT2D2RKH
| Simple utility to convert FIT2D ASCII format data into ISIS SANS ASCII format data. ''Useful as a prelude to converting the data into BSL format with XCONV''.
| S King
| n/a
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/windows/fit2d2rkh.zip W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
|-
| XCONV
| Converts several different X-ray detector (and reduced ISIS SANS) data formats to BSL format.
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| XML Loader
| For loading SASXML format data into IGOR
| M Wasbrough
| Documentation
| IGOR ipf
| n/a
| n/a
| IGOR ipf
|-
|}
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Link to a list of reflectometry software:
http://material.fysik.uu.se/Group_members/adrian/reflect.htm#Analysis

Content Page

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==General Thoughts==
AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

ARR - Here are some preliminary ideas for extra metadata to put on the site:

<nowiki><META name="description" content="Portal for small angle scattering - information and resources"> </nowiki>

<nowiki><META name="keywords" content="SAS, SAXS, SANS, reflection, facilities, beam lines, instruments, programs, software, conferences, jobs, news"> </nowiki>

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===Dates meetings and calendar===

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===Learn about Small Angle Scattering===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

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===Instruments and facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

There is a page listing neutron reflectometers and software for neutron reflectometry at: http://material.fysik.uu.se/Group_members/adrian/reflect.htm .

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Facilities and their SAS & Refelctometery instruments

ISIS: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/
SANS
LOQ: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/loq/
SANS2d: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/sans2d/
NIMROD: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/nimrod/nimrod2468.html
Lamor (NSE-SANS, in coming): http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/larmor/larmor8239.html
Reflecrometer
CRIPS: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/crisp/crisp2466.html
Inter: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/inter/inter2471.html
Offspec (with NSE): http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/offspec/offspec3048.html
Polref: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/offspec/offspec3048.html
Surf: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/surf/surf2469.html

Institut Laue-Langevin (ILL): http://www.ill.eu/
SANS
D11: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d11/
D22: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d22/
D33(in coming): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d33/
D16: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d16/
Reflectometer
Super Advanced Reflectometer for the Analysis of Materials:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/superadam/
D17: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d17/
FIGARO (Fluid Interfaces Grazing Angles ReflectOmeter):
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/figaro/

Laboratoire Leon Brillouin, Saclay, CEA http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/
SANS
Pace: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer (isotropic scattering)
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/pace-llb.pdf
Paxy: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer (high resolution)
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/paxy-llb.pdf
Paxe: Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/paxe-llb.pdf
TPA : Very Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer TPA : Very Small Angle Neutron Spectrometer
Reflectometer
Eros: Time of flight reflectometer http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/eros-llb.pdf
Prism: 2 axis with polarized neutrons and polarization analysis
http://www-llb.cea.fr/en/fr-en/pdf/prism-llb.pdf

FRMII http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/index.html
Julich Centre for Neutron Science http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/EN/Home/home_node.html
SANS
KWS-1 High resolution Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS1/_node.html
KWS-2 High intensity Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS2/_node.html
KWS-3 Very Small Angle Scattering
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/KWS3/_node.html
SANS-1 http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/sans-1/index.html
Reflectometer
MARIA Magnetic Reflectometer with high Incident Angle
http://www.fz-juelich.de/jcns/DE/Leistungen/Instruments2/Structures/MARIA/_node.html
REFSANS http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/refsans/index.html
N-REX+ http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/diffraction/n-rex/index.html
Booklet http://www.frm2.tum.de/en/science/experimental-facilities-booklet/index.html

SINQ: The Swiss Spallation Neutron Source http://www.psi.ch/sinq/
SANS
SANS-I Small-angle neutron scattering camera, 40m
http://kur.web.psi.ch/sans1/
SANS-II Small-angle neutron scattering camera, 12m
http://kur.web.psi.ch/sans2/
Reflectometer
AMOR Apparatus for multi optional reflectometry http://kur.web.psi.ch/amor/
MORPHEUS 2-axes neutron diffractometer & reflectometer, zero-field spin-echo as future option
http://kur.web.psi.ch/morpheus/
NARZISS Polarized neutron reflectometer http://kur.web.psi.ch/narziss/

NIST Center for Neutron Research http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/
SANS
NG3 SANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/ng3-sans-small-angle-neutron-scattering.cfm
NG7 SANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/ng7sans.cfm
BT5 USANS http://www.nist.gov/ncnr/bt5-usans-ultra-small-angle-neutron-scattering.cfm
Reflectometer
NGD Off-Specular Reflectometer(MAGIK) http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/
NG-1 Reflectometer (Polarized) http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/ng1refl/
NG7 Horizontal Neutron Reflectometer http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/ng7refl/

Oak Rdge National Laboratory (ORNL): http://www.sns.gov/
SNS: http://www.sns.gov/facilities/SNS/
SANS
EQ-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/SNS/EQ-SANS/
USANS(in coming): http://www.sns.gov/tofusans/
Reflecrometer
LR(Liquid Refelctometer: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/SNS/LR/
HFIR http://neutrons.ornl.gov/facilities/HFIR/
SANS
GP-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/HFIR/CG2/
Bio-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/HFIR/CG3/

Los Alamos Neutron Science Center: http://lansce.lanl.gov/
Lujian Neutron Center: http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/index.shtml
SANS
Low-Q Diffractometer(LQD): http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/LQD.shtml
Reflectometers
Asterix(Polarized): http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/ASTERIX.shtml
Surface Profile Analysis Reflectometer(SPEAR):
http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/SPEAR.shtml

NRC Canadian Neutron Beam Centre: http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/cnbc.html
Reflecrometer
D3 Reflectometer: http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/facilities/cnbc/spectrometers/d3.html

===News===

Small angle scattering mailling list server archive and instructions for joining: http://www.iucr.org/__data/iucr/lists/sa_scat/
ATSAS forums at EMBL: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php?sid=ebea93cfd38748094057328524d6489d
----

===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

----

===Software===

Small Angle Scattering toolbox: http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

List of SAS software (ISIS): http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software.html

{| border="1"
|+'''For SAS Data Reduction & Visualisation'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| BS-2D
| A Windows-based version of BSL.
| N Koubassova
| [http://muscle.imec.msu.ru/bs_1.htm Documentation]
| [http://muscle.imec.msu.ru/bs_1.htm W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
|-
| BSL
| An antiquated line-mode data manipulation package developed for 2D SAXS image data.
| J Bordas & G Mant
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software/BSL.html Documentation]
| n/a
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/linux/bsl-tar/bsl.tar.gz Linux]
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/solaris7/bsl.Z Solaris]
| n/a
|-
| FIT2D
| General-purpose & specialist data analysis and visualisation program.
| A Hammersley
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/ Documentation]
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/windows.html W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| [http://www.esrf.eu/computing/scientific/FIT2D/windows.html OSX]
|-
| GDA
| A customisable Jython-based software framework to operate experiments on synchrotron facilities, visualise and analyse the data.
| [http://www.opengda.org/ opengda.org]
| [http://www.opengda.org/OpenGDA/Documentation.html Documentation]
| n/a
| [http://www.opengda.org/OpenGDA/Download.html Linux]
| n/a
| n/a
|-
| Mantid
| MantidPlot is a version of [http://soft.proindependent.com/qtiplot.html QtiPlot] customised to present a technique-independent data analysis framework for Neutron and Muon data. It is built around C++/Python and supports Python plugins and scripting.
| [http://www.mantidproject.org/Main_Page mantidproject.org]
| [http://www.mantidproject.org/Documentation Documentation]
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ W32/W64]
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ Redhat/Ubuntu]
| n/a
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ OSX]
|-
| XOTOKO
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Model-Fitting SAS Data'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| FISH
| A sophisticated, tried & tested, model-fitting program with a Java GUI.
| R Heenan
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software/FISH.html Documentation]
| [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/downloads/Request.aspx?name=Fish_win32 W32]
| [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/downloads/Request.aspx?name=Fish_linux32 Linux]
| n/a
| n/a
|-
| SANSView
| A sophisticated model-fitting program built around C++/Python, supporting Python model plugins, and utilising NIST-developed model functions.
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/contact.html DANSE SANS Project]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html Documentation]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html W32/W64]
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html Linux]
| n/a
| [http://danse.chem.utk.edu/sansview.html OSX]
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Analysing SAS from Bio-molecular & Fibre Systems'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| ATSAS
| A program suite for small-angle scattering data analysis from biological macromolecules.
| D Svergun
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html Programs]
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html W32/W64]
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html Redhat/Ubuntu/Debian]
| n/a
| [http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/download.html OSX]
|-
| FD2BSL
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| FDSCALE
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| FTOREC
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| FibreFix
| A GUI-driven program environment integrating XCONV, XFIX, FTOREC & LSQINT. ''NB: requires MS .NET Framework 1 which is incompatible with Windows 7''.
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| HELIX
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| LSQINT
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| MusLABEL
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| Sample
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| WinLALS
| Linked-Atom Least-Squares (LALS) program for building molecular and crystal structures of helical polymers and refining them to fit X-ray fiber diffraction data.
| K Okuyama
| [http://www.chem.sci.osaka-u.ac.jp/lab/okuyama/en/winlals/index.html Documentation]
| [http://www.chem.sci.osaka-u.ac.jp/lab/okuyama/en/winlals/index.html W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Analysing Other Types of SAS Data'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| CORFUNC
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| CORFUNC Java
|
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| XFIT
| A GUI-driven peak-fitting program.
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
|
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|
|
|
|
|
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''Utilities'''
! || || || || colspan="5" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Mac
|-
| CELLREF
| Lattice refinement routine.
| K Gardner
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| DSPACE
| Calculates and sorts d-spacings.
| K Gardner
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| EXPAND
| Expands a BSL format data frame.
| D Marvin
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| FIT2D2RKH
| Simple utility to convert FIT2D ASCII format data into ISIS SANS ASCII format data. ''Useful as a prelude to converting the data into BSL format with XCONV''.
| S King
| n/a
| [http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/dms/small-angle/windows/fit2d2rkh.zip W32]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
|-
| XCONV
| Converts several different X-ray detector (and reduced ISIS SANS) data formats to BSL format.
| CCP13
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| XML Loader
| For loading SASXML format data into IGOR
| M Wasbrough
| Documentation
| IGOR ipf
| n/a
| n/a
| IGOR ipf
|-
|}
----

Link to a list of reflectometry software:
http://material.fysik.uu.se/Group_members/adrian/reflect.htm#Analysis

Information and Dissemination Working Group

2012-07-30T16:07:12Z

Dmcg026: /* Members */

===Members===
* Paul Butler (NIST, chair)
* Andrew Jackson (ESS)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Duncan McGillivray (University of Auckland)
* Maja Hellsing (Uppsala University)
* Masaaki Sugiyama (Kyoto University)

===News/Status===
* [http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/2012_Web_Discussion canSAS-2012 discussion]
* SAS software site hosting old CCP13 content (http://www.small-angle.ac.uk) is to be merged with smallangles.net and expanded to be a true SAS information portal
* Ralf Schweins has agreed to take up the world directory of SANS instruments project. This is available at:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

===September 2009 update===
At the facilities representatives discussion group, and pursued further at the canSAS discussions at the 2009 SAS meeting in Oxford, Paul Butler agreed to find some funds to get a student to start the process of putting up the first draft of a portal. The first action was to choose an appropriate domain name that would be easy to remember as '''THE''' SAS site. smallangle.org was suggested, the availability verified and the domain purchased. It was agreed that the front page should be a landing page that then allowed easy navigation to whatever SAS information was being sought. After a small brainstorming session, it was agreed that the next step was to implement those first ideas and then pass by the facilities representatives group for a first cut at polishing before advertising to the SAS mailing list and to all SAS beamline scientists possible. Some of the ideas for the first go include:
*listing of available SAS analysis software with links
*listing of resources for learning SAS techniques/SAS bibliography
*access to the SAS mailing list archive
*instructions on how to join the sas mailing list and a link to the joining page
*upcoming meetings of interest to the SAS community (a web form allowing people to upload information on their meeting was suggested)
*Link to the world directory of small-angle neutron scattering facilities
**this has recently been updated. Facilities are encouraged to send updates to Ralf Schweins
**No equivalent SAXS directory seems to exist. Pete Jemian is planning on addressing that, perhaps under the IUCR aegis
*information about canSAS, its efforts and links to working group pages
*Link to web site of SAS commission of IUCR
[[Category:Working Groups]]

Information and Dissemination Working Group

2012-07-30T15:57:32Z

Dmcg026: /* Members */

===Members===
* Paul Butler (NIST, chair)
* Andrew Jackson (ESS)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Duncan McGillivray (University of Auckland)

===News/Status===
* [http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/2012_Web_Discussion canSAS-2012 discussion]
* SAS software site hosting old CCP13 content (http://www.small-angle.ac.uk) is to be merged with smallangles.net and expanded to be a true SAS information portal
* Ralf Schweins has agreed to take up the world directory of SANS instruments project. This is available at:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

===September 2009 update===
At the facilities representatives discussion group, and pursued further at the canSAS discussions at the 2009 SAS meeting in Oxford, Paul Butler agreed to find some funds to get a student to start the process of putting up the first draft of a portal. The first action was to choose an appropriate domain name that would be easy to remember as '''THE''' SAS site. smallangle.org was suggested, the availability verified and the domain purchased. It was agreed that the front page should be a landing page that then allowed easy navigation to whatever SAS information was being sought. After a small brainstorming session, it was agreed that the next step was to implement those first ideas and then pass by the facilities representatives group for a first cut at polishing before advertising to the SAS mailing list and to all SAS beamline scientists possible. Some of the ideas for the first go include:
*listing of available SAS analysis software with links
*listing of resources for learning SAS techniques/SAS bibliography
*access to the SAS mailing list archive
*instructions on how to join the sas mailing list and a link to the joining page
*upcoming meetings of interest to the SAS community (a web form allowing people to upload information on their meeting was suggested)
*Link to the world directory of small-angle neutron scattering facilities
**this has recently been updated. Facilities are encouraged to send updates to Ralf Schweins
**No equivalent SAXS directory seems to exist. Pete Jemian is planning on addressing that, perhaps under the IUCR aegis
*information about canSAS, its efforts and links to working group pages
*Link to web site of SAS commission of IUCR
[[Category:Working Groups]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T13:21:22Z

Dmcg026: /* Software */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

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===Dates/meetings/calendar===

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===Learn about Small Angle Scattering===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

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===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

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Facilities and their SAS & Refelctometery instruments

Oak Rdge National Laboratory (ORNL): http://www.sns.gov/
SNS: http://www.sns.gov/facilities/SNS/
SANS
EQ-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/SNS/EQ-SANS/
USANS(in coming): http://www.sns.gov/tofusans/
Reflecrometer
LR(Liquid Refelctometer: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/SNS/LR/
HFIR http://neutrons.ornl.gov/facilities/HFIR/
SANS
GP-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/HFIR/CG2/
Bio-SANS: http://neutrons.ornl.gov/instruments/HFIR/CG3/

ISIS: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/
SANS
LOQ: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/loq/
SANS2d: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/sans2d/
NIMROD: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/nimrod/nimrod2468.html
Lamor (NSE-SANS, in coming): http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/larmor/larmor8239.html
Reflecrometer
CRIPS: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/crisp/crisp2466.html
Inter: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/inter/inter2471.html
Offspec (with NSE): http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/offspec/offspec3048.html
Polref: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/offspec/offspec3048.html
Surf: http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/instruments/surf/surf2469.html

Institut Laue-Langevin (ILL): http://www.ill.eu/
SANS
D11: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d11/
D22: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d22/
D33(in coming): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d33/
D16: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d16/
Reflectometer
Super Advanced Reflectometer for the Analysis of Materials:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/superadam/
D17: http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/d17/
FIGARO (Fluid Interfaces Grazing Angles ReflectOmeter):
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/instruments/figaro/

Los Alamos Neutron Science Center: http://lansce.lanl.gov/
Lujian Neutron Center: http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/index.shtml
SANS
Low-Q Diffractometer(LQD): http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/LQD.shtml
Reflectometers
Asterix(Polarized): http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/ASTERIX.shtml
Surface Profile Analysis Reflectometer(SPEAR):
http://lansce.lanl.gov/lujan/instruments/SPEAR.shtml

NRC Canadian Neutron Beam Centre: http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/cnbc.html
Reflecrometer
D3 Reflectometer: http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/facilities/cnbc/spectrometers/d3.html

===News===

Small angle scattering mailling list server archive and instructions for joining: http://www.iucr.org/__data/iucr/lists/sa_scat/

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===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

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===Software===

ATSAS package for biological scattering: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html

Small Angle Scattering toolbox: http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

List of SAS software (ISIS): http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software.html

{| border="1"
|+'''For SAS Data Reduction & Visualisation'''
! || || || || colspan="7" | Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Unix || Unix || Mac
|-
| GDA
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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|-
| Mantid
| MantidPlot is a version of [http://soft.proindependent.com/qtiplot.html QtiPlot] customised to present a technique-independent data analysis framework for Neutron and Muon data. It is built around C++/Python and supports Python plugins and scripting.
| [http://www.mantidproject.org/Main_Page mantidproject.org]
| [http://www.mantidproject.org/Documentation Documentation]
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ W32/W64]
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ Redhat/Ubuntu]
| n/a
| n/a
| n/a
| [http://download.mantidproject.org/ OSX]
|-
|}

{| border="1"
|+'''For Analysing SAS from Bio-molecular Systems'''
! || || || Downloads
|-
! Application || Description || Author || Documentation || Windows || Linux || Unix || Unix || Unix || Mac
|-
|
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|-
|}

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[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

User:Dmcg026

2012-07-29T12:08:43Z

Dmcg026:

'''Duncan McGillivray'''

Senior Lecturer

School of Chemical Sciences

The University of Auckland

Private Bag 92019

Auckland 1142

NEW ZEALAND

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2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T11:58:09Z

Dmcg026: /* Education */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===
ATSAS package for biological scattering: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html

Small Angle Scattering toolbox: http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

List of SAS software (ISIS): http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software.html

----

===Learn about Small Angle Scattering===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

----

===News===

Small angle scattering mailling list server archive and instructions for joining: http://www.iucr.org/__data/iucr/lists/sa_scat/
----

===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T11:57:32Z

Dmcg026: /* Software */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===
ATSAS package for biological scattering: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html

Small Angle Scattering toolbox: http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

List of SAS software (ISIS): http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/small-angle/Software.html

----

===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

----

===News===

Small angle scattering mailling list server archive and instructions for joining: http://www.iucr.org/__data/iucr/lists/sa_scat/
----

===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T11:49:36Z

Dmcg026: /* News */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

----

===News===

Small angle scattering mailling list server archive and instructions for joining: http://www.iucr.org/__data/iucr/lists/sa_scat/
----

===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T09:55:39Z

Dmcg026: /* News */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

----

===News===

----

===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T09:55:04Z

Dmcg026: /* Education */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

AJJ - Adrian mentioned metadata and search engine optimization. This is an important issue - Google has a document about this:
[[http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en//webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf Google SEO Guide]]

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

===News===

----
===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T09:11:16Z

Dmcg026: /* Resources */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

===News===

----
===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T09:08:47Z

Dmcg026: /* Resources */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

===News===

===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

NIST Scattering Length Density calculator: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/sldcalc.html

Another scattering length density calculator: http://sld-calculator.appspot.com/

Neutron scattering lengths: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/resources/n-lengths/

Peptide property calculator (can caluclate amino acid volumes): http://www.basic.northwestern.edu/biotools/proteincalc.html

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

Information and Dissemination Working Group

2012-07-29T09:01:22Z

Dmcg026: /* Members */

===Members===
* Andrew Jackson (NIST)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Paul Butler (NIST)
* Duncan McGillivray (University of Auckland)

===News/Status===
* [http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/2012_Web_Discussion canSAS-2012 discussion]
* SAS software site hosting old CCP13 content (http://www.small-angle.ac.uk) is to be merged with smallangles.net and expanded to be a true SAS information portal
* Ralf Schweins has agreed to take up the world directory of SANS instruments project. This is available at:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

===September 2009 update===
At the facilities representatives discussion group, and pursued further at the canSAS discussions at the 2009 SAS meeting in Oxford, Paul Butler agreed to find some funds to get a student to start the process of putting up the first draft of a portal. The first action was to choose an appropriate domain name that would be easy to remember as '''THE''' SAS site. smallangle.org was suggested, the availability verified and the domain purchased. It was agreed that the front page should be a landing page that then allowed easy navigation to whatever SAS information was being sought. After a small brainstorming session, it was agreed that the next step was to implement those first ideas and then pass by the facilities representatives group for a first cut at polishing before advertising to the SAS mailing list and to all SAS beamline scientists possible. Some of the ideas for the first go include:
*listing of available SAS analysis software with links
*listing of resources for learning SAS techniques/SAS bibliography
*access to the SAS mailing list archive
*instructions on how to join the sas mailing list and a link to the joining page
*upcoming meetings of interest to the SAS community (a web form allowing people to upload information on their meeting was suggested)
*Link to the world directory of small-angle neutron scattering facilities
**this has recently been updated. Facilities are encouraged to send updates to Ralf Schweins
**No equivalent SAXS directory seems to exist. Pete Jemian is planning on addressing that, perhaps under the IUCR aegis
*information about canSAS, its efforts and links to working group pages
*Link to web site of SAS commission of IUCR
[[Category:Working Groups]]

Information and Dissemination Working Group

2012-07-29T09:00:33Z

Dmcg026: /* News/Status */

===Members===
* Andrew Jackson (NIST)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Paul Butler (NIST) - new member 2009
* Duncan McGillivray (University of Auckland)

===News/Status===
* [http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/2012_Web_Discussion canSAS-2012 discussion]
* SAS software site hosting old CCP13 content (http://www.small-angle.ac.uk) is to be merged with smallangles.net and expanded to be a true SAS information portal
* Ralf Schweins has agreed to take up the world directory of SANS instruments project. This is available at:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

===September 2009 update===
At the facilities representatives discussion group, and pursued further at the canSAS discussions at the 2009 SAS meeting in Oxford, Paul Butler agreed to find some funds to get a student to start the process of putting up the first draft of a portal. The first action was to choose an appropriate domain name that would be easy to remember as '''THE''' SAS site. smallangle.org was suggested, the availability verified and the domain purchased. It was agreed that the front page should be a landing page that then allowed easy navigation to whatever SAS information was being sought. After a small brainstorming session, it was agreed that the next step was to implement those first ideas and then pass by the facilities representatives group for a first cut at polishing before advertising to the SAS mailing list and to all SAS beamline scientists possible. Some of the ideas for the first go include:
*listing of available SAS analysis software with links
*listing of resources for learning SAS techniques/SAS bibliography
*access to the SAS mailing list archive
*instructions on how to join the sas mailing list and a link to the joining page
*upcoming meetings of interest to the SAS community (a web form allowing people to upload information on their meeting was suggested)
*Link to the world directory of small-angle neutron scattering facilities
**this has recently been updated. Facilities are encouraged to send updates to Ralf Schweins
**No equivalent SAXS directory seems to exist. Pete Jemian is planning on addressing that, perhaps under the IUCR aegis
*information about canSAS, its efforts and links to working group pages
*Link to web site of SAS commission of IUCR
[[Category:Working Groups]]

Information and Dissemination Working Group

2012-07-29T08:59:45Z

Dmcg026: /* News/Status */

===Members===
* Andrew Jackson (NIST)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Paul Butler (NIST) - new member 2009
* Duncan McGillivray (University of Auckland)

===News/Status===
* [[http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/2012_Web_Discussion|canSAS-2012 discussion]]
* SAS software site hosting old CCP13 content (http://www.small-angle.ac.uk) is to be merged with smallangles.net and expanded to be a true SAS information portal
* Ralf Schweins has agreed to take up the world directory of SANS instruments project. This is available at:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

===September 2009 update===
At the facilities representatives discussion group, and pursued further at the canSAS discussions at the 2009 SAS meeting in Oxford, Paul Butler agreed to find some funds to get a student to start the process of putting up the first draft of a portal. The first action was to choose an appropriate domain name that would be easy to remember as '''THE''' SAS site. smallangle.org was suggested, the availability verified and the domain purchased. It was agreed that the front page should be a landing page that then allowed easy navigation to whatever SAS information was being sought. After a small brainstorming session, it was agreed that the next step was to implement those first ideas and then pass by the facilities representatives group for a first cut at polishing before advertising to the SAS mailing list and to all SAS beamline scientists possible. Some of the ideas for the first go include:
*listing of available SAS analysis software with links
*listing of resources for learning SAS techniques/SAS bibliography
*access to the SAS mailing list archive
*instructions on how to join the sas mailing list and a link to the joining page
*upcoming meetings of interest to the SAS community (a web form allowing people to upload information on their meeting was suggested)
*Link to the world directory of small-angle neutron scattering facilities
**this has recently been updated. Facilities are encouraged to send updates to Ralf Schweins
**No equivalent SAXS directory seems to exist. Pete Jemian is planning on addressing that, perhaps under the IUCR aegis
*information about canSAS, its efforts and links to working group pages
*Link to web site of SAS commission of IUCR
[[Category:Working Groups]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:54:26Z

Dmcg026:

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

===News===

===Resources===

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:50:31Z

Dmcg026: /* Education */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

'''Resources'''

X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

ATSAS forums: http://www.saxier.org/forum/index.php

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

===News===
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:46:11Z

Dmcg026: /* Day 1 design and technical details */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purview as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

'''Resources'''
X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

===News===
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:44:08Z

Dmcg026: /* Instruments/facilities */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purvey as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

'''Resources'''
X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

Anton Paar SAXS: http://www.anton-paar.com/SAXS/59_Corporate_en?productgroup_id=107

Bruker SAXS: http://www.bruker-axs.com/nanostar.html

===News===
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:42:31Z

Dmcg026: /* Instruments/facilities */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purvey as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

'''Resources'''
X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

----

===Instruments/facilities===
Worldwide neutron sources: http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

Worldwide synchrotron sources: http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

Worldwide directory of SANS instruments (not fresh): http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

===News===
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:40:52Z

Dmcg026: /* Instruments/facilities */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purvey as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

'''Resources'''
X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

----

===Instruments/facilities===
http://www.neutron.anl.gov/

http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

===News===
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:40:31Z

Dmcg026: /* Instruments/facilities */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purvey as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

'''Resources'''
X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

----

===Instruments/facilities===
----
http://www.neutron.anl.gov/
http://www.lightsources.org/cms/

===News===
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

Information and Dissemination Working Group

2012-07-29T08:22:18Z

Dmcg026: /* Members */

===Members===
* Andrew Jackson (NIST)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Paul Butler (NIST) - new member 2009
* Duncan McGillivray (University of Auckland)

===News/Status===
* This wiki has been set up to aid the working groups.
* SAS software site hosting old CCP13 content (http://www.small-angle.ac.uk) is to be merged with smallangles.net and expanded to be a true SAS information portal
* Ralf Schweins has agreed to take up the world directory of SANS instruments project. This is available at:
http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/

===September 2009 update===
At the facilities representatives discussion group, and pursued further at the canSAS discussions at the 2009 SAS meeting in Oxford, Paul Butler agreed to find some funds to get a student to start the process of putting up the first draft of a portal. The first action was to choose an appropriate domain name that would be easy to remember as '''THE''' SAS site. smallangle.org was suggested, the availability verified and the domain purchased. It was agreed that the front page should be a landing page that then allowed easy navigation to whatever SAS information was being sought. After a small brainstorming session, it was agreed that the next step was to implement those first ideas and then pass by the facilities representatives group for a first cut at polishing before advertising to the SAS mailing list and to all SAS beamline scientists possible. Some of the ideas for the first go include:
*listing of available SAS analysis software with links
*listing of resources for learning SAS techniques/SAS bibliography
*access to the SAS mailing list archive
*instructions on how to join the sas mailing list and a link to the joining page
*upcoming meetings of interest to the SAS community (a web form allowing people to upload information on their meeting was suggested)
*Link to the world directory of small-angle neutron scattering facilities
**this has recently been updated. Facilities are encouraged to send updates to Ralf Schweins
**No equivalent SAXS directory seems to exist. Pete Jemian is planning on addressing that, perhaps under the IUCR aegis
*information about canSAS, its efforts and links to working group pages
*Link to web site of SAS commission of IUCR
[[Category:Working Groups]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:14:35Z

Dmcg026: /* Education */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purvey as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

----
===Dates/meetings/calendar===

----
===Software===

----
===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

RKT SANS applets: http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/techniques/smallanglescattering.html

'''Resources'''
X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

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===Instruments/facilities===
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===News===
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T08:04:18Z

Dmcg026: /* Education */

==Pre-meeting==
*The following is the agenda of work posted under business for [[canSAS-2012]] under the Web Portal topic. Please add comments here:
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
*** ?more distributed or more centralized,
*** ?under auspices of a particular facility or SAS commission
*** ? .. or both etc)
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission

There are a number of places on the www with information about small-angle scattering. A portal needs to provide links to relevant information and extra content. The working group needs to find a way to make information readily available in an attractive way for different categories of people that will include scientists curious about the technique but unfamiliar, potential users, experienced users, etc. Some current pages are:

[http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr SAS Commission]

[http://www.small-angle.ac.uk/ Software for small angle scattering]

[http://www.smallangles.net/ smallangles.net]

[http://www.saxier.org/ SAXIER website]

[http://www.ill.eu/instruments-support/instruments-groups/groups/lss/more/world-directory-of-sans-instruments/ World Directory of SANS Instruments]

[http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/software.html BioSAXS data analysis software (EMBL Hamburg)]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering Wikipedia Small-angle Scattering]

[http://sastbx.als.lbl.gov/wiki/index.php/Main_Page SAS Toolbox from LBL - mostly software and on-line calculators]

[http://scattering.tripod.com/ Manfred Kriechbaums's page on small-angle scattering]

These pages are examples of what is already available. The challenge is to provide access and to integrate information.

ARR: A challenge is to find a means to keep the portal maintained and updated. We will need some continuing
commitment to this task.
SMK: If you type 'small angle scattering' into Google - what I suspect most people would do in the first instance
if looking for information on the topic - you get a Wikipedia article (which then subdivides into further
articles on SANS & SAXS). Do we know who wrote these articles?
ARR: I agree that people will find readily the Wikipedia articles. I suppose that the 'portal for the
community' should aim to provide further information (some that is not considered suitable for Wikipedia
articles). These topics might include links to software descriptions, lists of conferences, access
to mailing list archives, etc.
SMK: Yes, I agree. I think I was thinking more in terms of 'a portal to the portal'!?
SMK: On a different point, I have been in contact with the IUCr Webmaster. IUCr Commissions, such as the
CSAS, have two sets of pages on the IUCr servers: an "official" page at
http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering maintained directly by the IUCr Executive
Secretary, and their own pages, http://www.iucr.org/resources/commissions/small-angle-scattering
maintained directly by the Commission (which has effective autonomy over the content although technically
is subject to scrutiny by the IUCr Executive Committee). Content for the latter is managed using the
web-based package Squiz Matrix (http://manuals.matrix.squizsuite.net/). Authorship rights to the
CSAS's pages are currently vested in the CSAS Chairman. However the IUCr is currently trialing co-existing,
'lightweight', satellite websites (see, for example, http://blogs.iucr.net/) based on Wordpress. Content
on these satellite sites could be promoted as "in association with the SAS Commission". The caveat is that
this is a very new departure, as yet untested, and currently only informally backed-up. The IUCr also
haven't yet made a long-term commitment to maintain these sites.
ARR: Thanks for finding out about the IUCr developments. I see quite a lot of diversity on the commission
web sites. Some even direct to external servers (e.g. the Commission on Electron Crystallograpy goes
to http://www.emzm.uni-mainz.de/iucr_cec/. Other Commissions have quite a lot of material on the IUCr
site. Perhaps someone will be able to find out what the SAS commission plans? At the moment even the
few extra pages are not really recent. For example, there is no link to the proceedings of the Oxford
SAS conference.
ARR: I think that the proposed SAS portal will have to go beyond 'blogs' even if these are a useful addition
to the IUCr site.
PDB: I have a couple of comments regarding the issue of what is the first page of entry on search engine:
*A very important part of any effort at building any site and even more so one that wants to be a portal
is to develop a site in a way that maximizes its SEO score (search engine optimization) There are companies
devoted to that sort of thing as this is a very big deal.
*I agree (I think) with Stephen -- ours should be a portal to the portal in some way (though whether we
ever show up above the wikipedia entry in a search is questionable:-) but as Adrian says the portal we
are discussing should target a very different audience and include much more than an encyclopedic entry
(i.e. be a portal to ALL things SAS)
*The wikipedia entries seem pretty decent, but contributing to these might also be a goal. Not sure how
to find out who originally wrote those pages, but suspect we know them (the community isn’t that big).
Not sure how we find out as it would be nice to work together.
PDB: IUCr and CSAS sites. I believe that Duncan is involved in those efforts as a member of CSAS. Pete Jemian
is also a member of the CSAS I believe. Perhaps we can have them say a few words in a plenary session
about the current status of the CSAS thinking there and where the opportunities might be. As Adrian
suggested at the beginning one challenge will be the long term support which IUCr could perhaps help with
even if just by giving broader legitimacy and thus easier to secure commitment from other SAS sources.
PDB: Another topic dear to my heart which I think the portal could provide is to use the portal to build a
“community” in the true sense of the word. Besides helping to speed exchange of ideas and generating the
interest required to propel the site to the status of a true portal, it could be the source of some of the
effort that would be required to actively maintain it. Of course the difficulty is always in managing that
kind of engagement so that it doesn’t become a free for all that turns people away. That may be too difficult
a task but I think worth thinking about anyway.
SMK: So, if I've interpreted Wikipedia's FAQ correctly, the Small-Angle Scattering page was first constructed in
Oct 2006 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Iepeulas. It was then subsequently modified by several people,
the more meaningful names of which are: Tocharianne, Stemonitis (who would seem to be a biologist), Tpikonen
(who would appear to be into X-ray spectroscopy), Booers, Yen Zotto (not sure if that's a real name), Uvainio
(a physicist in Germany), and Alltat (which I think must be a moniker), and someone with an unhelpful ID but
who claims to be a professor and has made a raft of contributions that would seem to suggest they are quite
knowledgeable in physics). Do we recognise any of these user ID's as the names of small-angle scatterers?
ARR: Ulla Vainio has worked at DESY since she finished her Ph.D. at the University of Helsinki in 2007.
Her work has involved a lot of SAXS and anomalous SAXS. I think (but am not certain) that Tpikonen
is Teemo Ikonen who was also in Helsinki and moved to SLS at PSI. Several people in Helsinki were
active in maintaining Wikipedia.
ARR: In respect of 'community building' mentioned by PDB, it might be useful to discuss why the features
such as the SAS mail list (IUCr) and the discussion board (SAXIER) are not very widely known or
used. How can these be better publicised and exploited?
ARR: A useful preliminary analysis might be to think about what resources are available already on the
www in this area. One could then ask are these adequately maintained, what is needed for
the maintenance, is provision of links to other sites is sufficient in some fields this will reduce
the necessary work to provide content that is not available elsewhere.
PDB: Agree on both points above. The first and foremost problem is knowing something exits at the time I'm looking
for the kind of thing it offers. This is probably the biggest challenge for the portal project. Creating a
simple portal to lots of useful information that is well branded with an easy to remember name is a start.
Showing up as a top hit when doing a google search is another. Getting facilities, instrument scientists and
SAS bigshots to tell everyone is another. Getting linked from a lot of appropriate places another etc.. The
nest most difficult task will be figuring out/organizing the long term support and maintenance. With regards
to using whatever is out there rather than re-invent the wheel that will be required to keep the effort levels
manageable. I think identifying the kinds of things should be on a portal should go simultaneously with looking
for what is out there as one may inform the other.

==Day 1 design and technical details==
'''Design questions:'''
KEEP IT SIMPLE. Use wikipedia landing page as inspiration. Need to choose small set of topic areas that will send to more full secondary portal pages. Mock up of concept is provided in figure. Note that yellow tags are for main topic areas while blue are some subtopics that would go under the topic are. Green labels represent sites which we would like to get to link to the portal. Under calendar we are thinking of a goolge calendar that keeps track of beam time proposal submission deadlines and possibly upcoming meetings. Under education interactive web tools/tutorials would be really good for new users (see e.g. Brian Maranville's NIST summer school [http://ncnr.nist.gov/instruments/magik/SS2012.html tutorial "toys"])

[[File:Portaldesign1.png]]

Question of using an actual wiki as authoring software. ultimately want a wikipedia type of contributions to the final knowledge base but perhaps not enforced in the same way?

'''Other issues'''
* Content authorship
** SEPARATE portal issue from content (what machine things reside on is irrelevant)
** Should use existing content as much as possible
** Encourage/recruit people to provide missing content (on their servers of choice or we give space on ours)
** Can try to provide some content ourselves -- but that is same as above?
* hosting
** Easiest for initial start up is to keep the UTK servers
** Longer term we would like to get some mirror sites at the very least
** Probably not host directly on IUCr servers
* Domain branding
** use smallangle.org
** don't advertise but if we can get smallangles.org have it point to same place.
*What is proper/best role for IUCr
** probably as a representative with editing access to site and part of group maintaining portal?
* High impact content
** calendar of proposal deadlines
** Glossay of terms
** interactive tutorials
** breaking news maybe?
* management - best ad hoc by group of interested volunteers but practically may need some level of foramlized committe to point to in order for community to be comfortable? How does wikipedia do it? What level of editorial control should be maintained and by whom?
*SAS meeting questions
**Ask for volunteers for various missing content
**Reflection, LS, and grazing incidence are all part of IUCr SAS commission remit. How much should the portal cover and how? Group believe LS is out of purvey as too much, and that reflectivity should be included at some lever but not "separately"

==Content==

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===Dates/meetings/calendar===

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===Software===

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===Education===
'''Wikipedia'''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_neutron_scattering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small-angle_X-ray_scattering

'''Tutorials'''

SANS at NIST, movies and pdfs: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/programs/sans/tutorials/index.html

Boualem Hammouda's polymer based tutorial for SANS: http://www.ncnr.nist.gov/staff/hammouda/

List of EMBO courses for biological macromolecues, with recommended reading links: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/biosaxs/courses/

BIOISIS (ALS at Berkeley) tutorial for biological macromolecules studied with SAXS. Includes sample preparation, measurement, reduction and analysis: http://bioisis.net/tutorial

ORNL SANS (PDF links only): http://neutrons.ornl.gov/research/techniques.shtml

Diamond, UK, "Beginner's guide to SAXS" (PDFs) and useful links: http://www.diamond.ac.uk/Home/Beamlines/small-angle/Beginners-Guide-to-SAXS.html

'''Resources'''
X-ray anomalous scattering resources (primarily for crystallography, useful for aSAXS: http://skuld.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter/

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===Instruments/facilities===
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===News===
[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T07:52:44Z

Dmcg026: /* Content */

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-29T07:50:41Z

Dmcg026: /* Education */

2012 Web Discussion

2012-07-28T16:15:53Z

Dmcg026:

Talk:canSAS-2012

2012-07-28T13:20:22Z

Dmcg026: /* 2012-07-28 Notes of Discussions */

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== 2012-07-28 Notes of Discussions ==

=== Data storage formats ===
see: [[2012_Data_Discussion]] and [[User:Boesecke | discussion from Peter Boesecke]]

* sasCIF
* [http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?S0907444912012073 newer standard] for publishing bio SAXS data in IUCr journals (doesn't specify format, but includes data validation)
* canSAS1d
* NeXus
* IUCr Diffraction Data Deposition Working Group proposal, SAS Commission response to proposal, & whether proposal would impact SAS data standardization
* discussed use of standard formats to ensure some level of integrity in publications

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==== Considerations for the design of a canSAS-multid format ====
* What is the definition of reduced SAS data?
* purpose of the format?
* ease of use?
* ease of maintainability?
* user support?
* what content?
* can it handle 'big data'?
* can it cope with sparse data?
* build in coordinate specifications
*Compatibility with multiple techniques:
** SAXS+WAXS, ASAXS, GISAXS, SAXS(t), XPCS, ...
* extensibility?
* well-defined?
* ensure it gets used!

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=== NeXus main page ===
* How to find links to [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/ClassDefinitions-Application.html Definitions] and [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/Examples.html Examples]? Make better [http://www.nexusformat.org/ main page] links.
** NAPI examples don't work (Ron Ghosh). What is the problem? Fix?
** Needs more help oriented for data consumers
* [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/ClassDefinitions-Application.html#NXsas NXsas]: a definition for raw SAS data
* [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/ClassDefinitions-Application.html#NXiqproc NXiqproc]: general definition, might work for reduced SAS or at least be considered a starting point

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=== IUCr World Database of Crystallographers ===

http://www.iucr.org/people/wdc

* Is this list contemporary?
* Who are the consumers of this information?
* Are standard terms codified?
* Search for "small-angle" or "small angle" is not as useful as "SAXS" or "SANS"
* SAS does not consider itself under "Crystallography"

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=== SAS Portal ===
* There can be only one!
* Considerations for the design of a portal
** who is the target audience?
** should it support languages other than English?
** should it just be links to existing content or 'more dynamic', perhaps with a 'SAS news' section, recent results, etc?
** include an FAQ?
** incorporate social media?
** should it 'involve' the IUCr SAS Commission?
** how should it be promoted to the SAS community?
* What role should canSAS take?
* What do we recommend the IUCr provide through the [http://www.iucr.org/iucr/commissions/small-angle-scattering IUCr/CSAS] web site?

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=== PDB data deposition task force ===

(Information from email chat with Jill Trewhella)

'''Task force remit:'''
Bio-molecular Small-Angle Scattering Data and Interpretation; Data Deposition and Model Archiving

'''Task Force Membership:''' Helen Berman, Wayne Hendrickson, Gerard Kleywegt, Guy Montelione, Mamuro Sato, Torsten Schwede, Dmitri Svergun, John Tainer, Jill Trewhella

'''Preliminary Recommendations:'''

* Need a standard dictionary for definitions of terms for data collection and for managing a data repository. X-rays and neutrons.
* Need a data repository that holds standard data set, is searchable, internationally accessible for download.
* Bead and atomistic models based on SAS data should be archived in a searchable data base and (given that the underlying data are not atomic resolution) there be specific information in regard to the quality/reliability/uniqueness of the result. Criteria for these assessments need to be defined; issues chi squared, error propagation, sensible stereo-chemistry requirement is argued and needs yet to be agreed.
* Need a meeting of key people from different task forces to come together to define what the pdb should be archiving.

We also discussed what might be in the PDB and what might be in a parallel "hybrid model" data base that is distinct from the PDB, but with a common interface. By this means it would be easy to communicate that the hybrid models are not based purely on data that can provide atomistic (or something close to it) information.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
*While a database of data is desirable from the PDB perspective, it is not clear who should be the steward
*Data should include information about sample and its history/preparation etc., and treatment of background (and potentially storing background data as well)
*A lunchtime session has been scheduled at SAS 2012 (Sydney, November) to discuss these standards with the community
*Ideas from [http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?S0907444912012073 Acta Cryst. D, 68, 620–626 (2012)] are embodied in this

Talk:canSAS-2012

2012-07-28T12:26:06Z

Dmcg026: /* PDB data deposition task force */

== 2012-07-28 Notes of Discussions ==

=== Data storage formats ===
* sasCIF
* newer standard for publishing bio SAXS data in IUCr journals (doesn't specify format, but includes data validation)
* canSAS1d
* NeXus
* IUCr Diffraction Data Deposition Working Group proposal, SAS Commission response to proposal, & whether proposal would impact SAS data standardization
* Considerations for the design of a canSAS-multid format
** purpose of the format?
** ease of use?
** ease of maintainability?
** user support?
** what content?
** can it handle 'big data'?
** can it cope with sparse data?
** extensibility?
** well-defined?
** ensure it gets used!

=== NeXus main page ===
* How to find links to [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/ClassDefinitions-Application.html Definitions] and [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/Examples.html Examples]? Make better [http://www.nexusformat.org/ main page] links.
** NAPI examples don't work (Ron Ghosh). What is the problem? Fix?
** Needs more help oriented for data consumers
* [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/ClassDefinitions-Application.html#NXsas NXsas]: a definition for raw SAS data
* [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/ClassDefinitions-Application.html#NXiqproc NXiqproc]: general definition, might work for reduced SAS or at least be considered a starting point

=== IUCr World Database of Crystallographers ===
* Is this list contemporary?
** Who are the consumers of this information?
** Are standard terms codified?
** Search for "small-angle" or "small angle" is not as useful as "SAXS" or "SANS"
** SAS does not consider itself under "Crystallography"

=== SAS Portal ===
** Considerations for the design of a portal
*** who is the target audience?
*** should it support languages other than English?
*** should it just be links to existing content or 'more dynamic', perhaps with a 'SAS news' section, recent results, etc?
*** include an FAQ?
*** incorporate social media?
*** should it 'involve' the IUCr SAS Commission?
*** how should it be promoted to the SAS community?

== PDB data deposition task force ==

(Information from email chat with Jill Trewhella)

'''Task force remit:'''
Bio-molecular Small-Angle Scattering Data and Interpretation; Data Deposition and Model Archiving

'''Task Force Membership:''' Helen Berman, Wayne Hendrickson, Gerard Kleywegt, Guy Montelione, Mamuro Sato, Torsten Schwede, Dmitri Svergun, John Tainer, Jill Trewhella

'''Preliminary Recommendations:'''

* Need a standard dictionary for definitions of terms for data collection and for managing a data repository. X-rays and neutrons.
* Need a data repository that holds standard data set, is searchable, internationally accessible for download.
* Bead and atomistic models based on SAS data should be archived in a searchable data base and (given that the underlying data are not atomic resolution) there be specific information in regard to the quality/reliability/uniqueness of the result. Criteria for these assessments need to be defined; issues chi squared, error propagation, sensible stereo-chemistry requirement is argued and needs yet to be agreed.
* Need a meeting of key people from different task forces to come together to define what the pdb should be archiving.

We also discussed what might be in the PDB and what might be in a parallel "hybrid model" data base that is distinct from the PDB, but with a common interface. By this means it would be easy to communicate that the hybrid models are not based purely on data that can provide atomistic (or something close to it) information.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
*While a database of data is desirable from the PDB perspective, it is not clear who should be the steward
*Data should include information about sample and its history/preparation etc., and treatment of background (and potentially storing background data as well)
*A lunchtime session has been scheduled at SAS 2012 (Sydney, November) to discuss these standards with the community
*Ideas from [http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?S0907444912012073 Acta Cryst. D, 68, 620–626 (2012)] are embodied in this

Talk:canSAS-2012

2012-07-28T12:18:54Z

Dmcg026: /* PDB data deposition task force */

== 2012-07-28 Notes of Discussions ==

*Data storage formats
** sasCIF
** newer standard for publishing bio SAXS data in IUCr journals (doesn't specify format, but includes data validation)
** canSAS1d
** NeXus
** IUCr Diffraction Data Deposition Working Group proposal, SAS Commission response to proposal, & whether proposal would impact SAS data standardization
** Considerations for the design of a canSAS-multid format
*** purpose of the format?
*** ease of use?
*** ease of maintainability?
*** user support?
*** what content?
*** can it handle 'big data'?
*** can it cope with sparse data?
*** extensibility?
*** well-defined?
*** ensure it gets used!

*NeXus main page
** How to find links to [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/ClassDefinitions-Application.html Definitions] and [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/Examples.html Examples]? Make better [http://www.nexusformat.org/ main page] links.
*** NAPI examples don't work (Ron Ghosh). What is the problem? Fix?
*** Needs more help oriented for data consumers
** NXsas: a definition for raw SAS data
** NXiqproc: general definition, might work for reduced SAS or at least be considered a starting point

*IUCr World Database of Crystallographers
** Is this list contemporary?
*** Who are the consumers of this information?
*** Are standard terms codified?
*** Search for "small-angle" or "small angle" is not as useful as "SAXS" or "SANS"
*** SAS does not consider itself under "Crystallography"

*SAS Portal
** Considerations for the design of a portal
***

== PDB data deposition task force ==

(Information from email chat with Jill Trewhella)

'''Task force remit:'''
Bio-molecular Small-Angle Scattering Data and Interpretation; Data Deposition and Model Archiving

'''Task Force Membership:''' Helen Berman, Wayne Hendrickson, Gerard Kleywegt, Guy Montelione, Mamuro Sato, Torsten Schwede, Dmitri Svergun, John Tainer, Jill Trewhella

'''Preliminary Recommendations:'''

* Need a standard dictionary for definitions of terms for data collection and for managing a data repository. X-rays and neutrons.
* Need a data repository that holds standard data set, is searchable, internationally accessible for download.
* Bead and atomistic models based on SAS data should be archived in a searchable data base and (given that the underlying data are not atomic resolution) there be specific information in regard to the quality/reliability/uniqueness of the result. Criteria for these assessments need to be defined; issues chi squared, error propagation, sensible stereo-chemistry requirement is argued and needs yet to be agreed.
* Need a meeting of key people from different task forces to come together to define what the pdb should be archiving.

We also discussed what might be in the PDB and what might be in a parallel "hybrid model" data base that is distinct from the PDB, but with a common interface. By this means it would be easy to communicate that the hybrid models are not based purely on data that can provide atomistic (or something close to it) information.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
*While a database of data is desirable from the PDB perspective, it is not clear who should be the steward
*Data should include information about sample and its history/preparation etc., and treatment of background (and potentially storing background data as well)
*A lunchtime session has been scheduled at SAS 2012 (Sydney, November) to discuss these standards with the community
*Ideas from Acta Cryst. D, 68, 620–626 (2012) are embodied in this

Talk:canSAS-2012

2012-07-28T12:16:28Z

Dmcg026: /* PDB data deposition task force */

== 2012-07-28 Notes of Discussions ==

*Data storage formats
** sasCIF
** newer standard for publishing bio SAXS data in IUCr journals (doesn't specify format, but includes data validation)
** canSAS1d
** NeXus
** IUCr Diffraction Data Deposition Working Group proposal, SAS Commission response to proposal, & whether proposal would impact SAS data standardization

*NeXus main page
** How to find links to Definitions and Examples? Make better main page links.
*** NAPI examples don't work (Ron Ghosh). What is the problem? Fix?
*** Needs more help oriented for data consumers
** NXsas: a definition for raw SAS data
** NXiqproc: general definition, might work for reduced SAS or at least be considered a starting point

*IUCr World Database of Crystallographers
** Is this list contemporary?
*** Who are the consumers of this information?
*** Are standard terms codified?
*** Search for "small-angle" or "small angle" is not as useful as "SAXS" or "SANS"
*** SAS does not consider itself under "Crystallography"

== PDB data deposition task force ==

(Information from email chat with Jill Trewhella)

'''Task force remit:'''
Bio-molecular Small-Angle Scattering Data and Interpretation; Data Deposition and Model Archiving

'''Task Force Membership:''' Helen Berman, Wayne Hendrickson, Gerard Kleywegt, Guy Montelione, Mamuro Sato, Torsten Schwede, Dmitri Svergun, John Tainer, Jill Trewhella

'''Preliminary Recommendations:'''

* Need a standard dictionary for definitions of terms for data collection and for managing a data repository. X-rays and neutrons.
* Need a data repository that holds standard data set, is searchable, internationally accessible for download.
* Bead and atomistic models based on SAS data should be archived in a searchable data base and (given that the underlying data are not atomic resolution) there be specific information in regard to the quality/reliability/uniqueness of the result. Criteria for these assessments need to be defined; issues chi squared, error propagation, sensible stereo-chemistry requirement is argued and needs yet to be agreed.
* Need a meeting of key people from different task forces to come together to define what the pdb should be archiving.

We also discussed what might be in the PDB and what might be in a parallel "hybrid model" data base that is distinct from the PDB, but with a common interface. By this means it would be easy to communicate that the hybrid models are not based purely on data that can provide atomistic (or something close to it) information.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
*While a database of data is desirable from the PDB perspective, it is not clear who should be the steward
*Data should include information about sample and its history/preparation etc., and treatment of background (and potentially storing background data as well)

Talk:canSAS-2012

2012-07-28T12:13:52Z

Dmcg026: /* PDB data deposition task force */ new section

Talk:canSAS-2012

2012-07-28T11:53:31Z

Dmcg026:

== 2012-07-28 Notes ==

*Data storage formats
** sasCIF
** newer standard for publishing bio SAXS data in IUCr journals (doesn't specify format, but includes data validation)
** canSAS1d
** NeXus
** Diffraction Data Deposition Working Group and its impact for SAS data standardization

*NeXus main page
** How to find links to Definitions and Examples? Make better main page links.
*** NAPI examples don't work (Ron Ghosh). What is the problem? Fix?
*** Needs more help oriented for data consumers

*IUCr World Database of Crystallographers
** Is this list contemporary?
*** Who are the consumers of this information?
*** Are standard terms codified?
*** Search for "small-angle" or "small angle" is not as useful as "SAXS" or "SANS"
*** SAS does not consider itself under "Crystallography"