canSAS - User contributions [en]

canSAS-XI/DataFormats

2019-07-09T13:34:46Z

Jemian: /* Actions */

=== Presentation ===

=== Session Notes ===

Jan : real world examples of nxcanSAS from facilities needed.
Tim suggests everyone putting them on Zenodo to get DOIs
Pete - post issues on cansas examples github

Pete - request for more examples of NXcanSAS files: https://github.com/canSAS-org/NXcanSAS_examples/issues/3#issuecomment-509619529

Reduced data from multiple detectors ....
- Is this a general problem
- Jeff : looking at how to handle this for VSANS
- Issue for both raw and reduced : raw easier
- How to convert?
- AJJ : question is of multiple 2D q-spaces rather than detector spaces.
- Tim : multiple physical detectors vs moving detector
- AJJ : multiple SASdata entries in a single SASentry
- Jan : how to get software to read complex datasets (e.g. lots of mag fields with many detectors)
- AJJ : discussion of complexity ... some of the complex analyses will require the users to understand their data. Perhaps plugins in e.g. DPDAK?

- Is there a standard location for motors etc. Not really ... each instrument/facility does it differently.
- can we have a standard set of metadata tags for NXcanSAS to support
- how about more detailed application definitions?

- Pete - search methods, specify search path.
- Adam : SESANS data - should create equivalent of SASData for SESANS data.
- Brian : how to include multi-modal data - probably at the same level as a SASentry
- Detectors : how do we link detector metadata to the q-spaces derived from them. e.g. multiple detector configurations might be used to give a single Q space. This is true for 1D as well.
- Stitching : discussion of stitching. How is it automated.

Discussion of dataset representation in python
- xarray - not fully featured.
- scippy (c++ version of xarray for mantid) - reinventing numpy! not what we are looking for here.
- DAWN has something
- nexpy supports network streaming / reading online rather than having to load whole dataset

Multiple detectors - multiple kinds of detector (Tim)
- e.g. optical camera + x-ray detector working at different frequencies. More frames from one than the other
- SAXS + WAXS at DESY - just write two nexus files to avoid the problem. Server issues and I/O
- I22 - timeframe generation (one file) + two separate detector files. Acquisition gives you a header nexus file linked to the others. Currently looking at stacking in the right order in data structures - slowest at top.
- ESS - all timestamped ...
- Pete - timestamping at synchrotrons will be coming. XPCS can use this.
- Brian : Visualisation
- Time slider bars - showing last collected image.

Metadata for Machine Learning
- Datasets generated by Diamond should be put online (3Tb issue!)
- Metadata from sample is required.
- XPDF users need the information about the sample. (same for liquids neutron diffraction).
- Need to move on from basics (Pete) - don't know what we need to know to feed the machine learning algorithms.
- What are the users going to give us?
- Very little ...
- Use header nexus file with link to raw detector data. Basically digital logbook.
- Pete - shouldn't limit metadata for edge cases. Need to have the metadata possible and turn off as needed.
- Pete - automated addition of data from proposal/safety form
- Brian - adding analyte composition and density etc.
- Pete - issue with NXsample : requires chemical formula, not composition.
- Some are easy for low throughput. Need an efficient way of entering the information.
- Should look at what the MX do.
- Needs to be end-to-end. Has to be a benefit to user.
- Machine learning : Pete - need some samples with bad metadata to teach algorithm!

=== Actions ===
- Identify the right location for data sets and upload to Zenodo and/or github.

- Linking of detector metadata to sasdata entries.

- Writing of notes with examples for NXcanSAS usage. (https://github.com/canSAS-org/NXcanSAS_examples/issues/3#issuecomment-509619529)

- Build a list of suggested metadata with standard names. Including how to build sample descriptions. '''Brian P to write a proposal for sample relevant metadata and to circulate to Data Formats group'''

canSAS-XI/DataFormats

2019-07-09T13:33:49Z

Jemian: /* Session Notes */

=== Presentation ===

=== Session Notes ===

Jan : real world examples of nxcanSAS from facilities needed.
Tim suggests everyone putting them on Zenodo to get DOIs
Pete - post issues on cansas examples github

Pete - request for more examples of NXcanSAS files: https://github.com/canSAS-org/NXcanSAS_examples/issues/3#issuecomment-509619529

Reduced data from multiple detectors ....
- Is this a general problem
- Jeff : looking at how to handle this for VSANS
- Issue for both raw and reduced : raw easier
- How to convert?
- AJJ : question is of multiple 2D q-spaces rather than detector spaces.
- Tim : multiple physical detectors vs moving detector
- AJJ : multiple SASdata entries in a single SASentry
- Jan : how to get software to read complex datasets (e.g. lots of mag fields with many detectors)
- AJJ : discussion of complexity ... some of the complex analyses will require the users to understand their data. Perhaps plugins in e.g. DPDAK?

- Is there a standard location for motors etc. Not really ... each instrument/facility does it differently.
- can we have a standard set of metadata tags for NXcanSAS to support
- how about more detailed application definitions?

- Pete - search methods, specify search path.
- Adam : SESANS data - should create equivalent of SASData for SESANS data.
- Brian : how to include multi-modal data - probably at the same level as a SASentry
- Detectors : how do we link detector metadata to the q-spaces derived from them. e.g. multiple detector configurations might be used to give a single Q space. This is true for 1D as well.
- Stitching : discussion of stitching. How is it automated.

Discussion of dataset representation in python
- xarray - not fully featured.
- scippy (c++ version of xarray for mantid) - reinventing numpy! not what we are looking for here.
- DAWN has something
- nexpy supports network streaming / reading online rather than having to load whole dataset

Multiple detectors - multiple kinds of detector (Tim)
- e.g. optical camera + x-ray detector working at different frequencies. More frames from one than the other
- SAXS + WAXS at DESY - just write two nexus files to avoid the problem. Server issues and I/O
- I22 - timeframe generation (one file) + two separate detector files. Acquisition gives you a header nexus file linked to the others. Currently looking at stacking in the right order in data structures - slowest at top.
- ESS - all timestamped ...
- Pete - timestamping at synchrotrons will be coming. XPCS can use this.
- Brian : Visualisation
- Time slider bars - showing last collected image.

Metadata for Machine Learning
- Datasets generated by Diamond should be put online (3Tb issue!)
- Metadata from sample is required.
- XPDF users need the information about the sample. (same for liquids neutron diffraction).
- Need to move on from basics (Pete) - don't know what we need to know to feed the machine learning algorithms.
- What are the users going to give us?
- Very little ...
- Use header nexus file with link to raw detector data. Basically digital logbook.
- Pete - shouldn't limit metadata for edge cases. Need to have the metadata possible and turn off as needed.
- Pete - automated addition of data from proposal/safety form
- Brian - adding analyte composition and density etc.
- Pete - issue with NXsample : requires chemical formula, not composition.
- Some are easy for low throughput. Need an efficient way of entering the information.
- Should look at what the MX do.
- Needs to be end-to-end. Has to be a benefit to user.
- Machine learning : Pete - need some samples with bad metadata to teach algorithm!

=== Actions ===
- Identify the right location for data sets and upload to Zenodo and/or github.

- Linking of detector metadata to sasdata entries.

- Writing of notes with examples for NXcanSAS usage.

- Build a list of suggested metadata with standard names. Including how to build sample descriptions. '''Brian P to write a proposal for sample relevant metadata and to circulate to Data Formats group'''

canSAS-X

2018-09-13T17:34:11Z

Jemian: /* Agenda */

= canSAS-X Workshop =

* date: Sunday, October 7, 2018
* place: Peninsula Room C, Grand Traverse Resort & Spa, Traverse City, Michigan, USA
* (just before [https://sas2018.anl.gov/ SAS2018])

__TOC__

== Summary ==

-tba-

== Goals ==

The goals for this one-day workshop are to:

* disseminate information about canSAS and to recruit active participants to canSAS activities ... see [[canSAS-IX#Goals]];
* plan new round-robin measurements to cover wider classes of instruments;
* discuss NXcanSAS data formats and propose improvements

== Agenda ==

* 9:30 AM Welcome and intro to canSAS
* 10:00 AM Update/discussion on canSAS-IX activities
* 10:45 Coffee Break
* 11:15 AM July 2019 canSAS XI meeting update - Frielinghaus
* 11:30 AM Discussion on topics and organization of canSAS-XI
* 12:00 PM LUNCH BREAK
* 1:00 PM Discussion Topics
** NXcanSAS 2.0 discussion
** Round Robin and Standard Practices projects
*** USAS/Geosciences round robin
*** Particle Sizing standards?
*** Other
** Analysis Software Collaboration opportunities
*** COST action
*** other
* 2:40 Group Photo
* 2:45 Coffee Break
* 4:00 PM Reconvene - summary of breakout and wrap-up discussion
* 5:00 PM adjourn to attend SAS2018 Welcome Reception

== Venue and Registration ==

* date: Sunday, October 7, 2018
* place: Peninsula Room C, Grand Traverse Resort & Spa, Traverse City, Michigan, USA
* (just before [https://sas2018.anl.gov/ SAS2018])

Note that as a "grass roots" community effort there are generally no specific funds to support the local organizing expenses of such meetings. Instead these expenses will be covered through mostly small registration fees asked of each participant. (expect $30 to cover the two coffee breaks or we can just wander the resort's various shops)

== Meeting Schedule and Topics ==

The topics being addressed at the canSAS X workshop are:

* NXcanSAS standard, improve the description of how Q should be provided in the HDF5 file
* Round-robin samples
* the SAS portal

== Local Organizing Committee ==

* SAS2018 organizers

== Program Committee ==

* Paul Butler (NIST, US)
* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala University, Sweden)
* Pete Jemian (APS, US)
* Henrich Frielinghaus (Julich, Germany)

canSAS-X

2018-09-13T17:32:30Z

Jemian: spelling

= canSAS-X Workshop =

* date: Sunday, October 7, 2018
* place: Peninsula Room C, Grand Traverse Resort & Spa, Traverse City, Michigan, USA
* (just before [https://sas2018.anl.gov/ SAS2018])

__TOC__

== Summary ==

-tba-

== Goals ==

The goals for this one-day workshop are to:

* disseminate information about canSAS and to recruit active participants to canSAS activities ... see [[canSAS-IX#Goals]];
* plan new round-robin measurements to cover wider classes of instruments;
* discuss NXcanSAS data formats and propose improvements

== Agenda ==

* 9:30 AM Welcome and intro to canSAS
* 10:00 AM Update/discussion on canSAS-IX activities
* 10:45 Coffee Break
* 11:15 AM July 2019 canSAS XI meeting update - Frielinghaus
* 11:30 AM Discussion on topics and organization of canSAS-XI
* 12:00 PM LUNCH BREAK
* 1:00 PM Discussion Topics
** NXcanSAS 2.0 discussion
** Round Robin and Standard Practices projects
*** USAS/Geosciences round robin
*** Particle Sizing standards?
*** Other
** Analysis Software Collaboration opportunities
*** COST action
*** other
* 2:45 Coffee Break
* 4:00 PM Reconvene - summary of breakout and wrap-up discussion
* 5:00 PM adjourn to attend SAS2018 Welcome Reception

== Venue and Registration ==

* date: Sunday, October 7, 2018
* place: Peninsula Room C, Grand Traverse Resort & Spa, Traverse City, Michigan, USA
* (just before [https://sas2018.anl.gov/ SAS2018])

Note that as a "grass roots" community effort there are generally no specific funds to support the local organizing expenses of such meetings. Instead these expenses will be covered through mostly small registration fees asked of each participant. (expect $30 to cover the two coffee breaks or we can just wander the resort's various shops)

== Meeting Schedule and Topics ==

The topics being addressed at the canSAS X workshop are:

* NXcanSAS standard, improve the description of how Q should be provided in the HDF5 file
* Round-robin samples
* the SAS portal

== Local Organizing Committee ==

* SAS2018 organizers

== Program Committee ==

* Paul Butler (NIST, US)
* Masa Fukuto (NSLS II, US)
* Eva Herzig (TUM, Germany)
* Zhang Jiang (APS, US)
* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala University, Sweden)
* Sarah Rogers (STFC, England)
* Stephan Roth (PETRA III/DESY & KTH/Stockholm)
* Alessandro Sepe (Adolphe Merkle Inst., Switzerland)
* Gila Stein ( University of Tennessee, US)
* Jun-ichi Suzuki (CROSS Tokai, Japan)

canSAS-X

2018-07-09T14:34:58Z

Jemian: start the agenda

canSAS

2018-07-09T14:27:57Z

Jemian: announcing canSAS-X

==News==

The next workshop, [[canSAS-X]] will be held Sunday, October 7, 2018 at Peninsula Room C, Grand Traverse Resort & Spa, Traverse City, Michigan, USA, just before [https://sas2018.anl.gov SAS2018].

The [[canSAS-IX | canSAS-IX]] workshop was held in Northern California on June 5-7 2017 hosted jointly by [http://www-ssrl.slac.stanford.edu/ SSRL] and [https://als.lbl.gov/ ALS].

The [[NXcanSAS]] multi-dimensional (''nD'') standard was released 2017-01-17.

The [[canSAS-VIII | canSAS VIII meeting]] was held in Japan on April 14-16, 2015.

The outcomes of recent canSAS work was presented to the community at a special session on 20 November at the SAS-2012 conference in Sydney, Australia (18 to 23 November 2012). Presentations from this session and other canSAS work are reported on a separate page: [[canSAS_at_the_SAS-2012_Conference]].

There has been a working meeting in Uppsala, Sweden from 28 to 31 July 2012 : [[canSAS-2012 | canSAS 2012]].

The canSAS web site has moved to a new domain: [[http://www.cansas.org www.cansas.org]] - Welcome to our new home! If you spot any broken links or strange behavior, email Andrew (andrew dot jackson at esss dot se).

== Working Groups ==

Working groups are formed as needed to address the various matters of interest to the canSAS.

=== Current Working Groups ===
<categorytree mode=pages hideroot=on>Working Groups</categorytree>

=== Previous Working Groups ===
<categorytree mode=pages hideroot=on>Previous Working Groups</categorytree>

canSAS-X

2018-07-09T14:25:44Z

Jemian: create this page

NXcanSAS

2017-06-07T19:10:39Z

Jemian: /* NXcanSAS */

= NXcanSAS =

standard for reduced small-angle scattering data of any dimension, using NeXus/HDF5

* '''v1.0''': 2017-01-18
* '''Announced''': 2017-06-06 (at [[canSAS-IX]])
* '''Documentation''': [http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/classes/applications/NXcanSAS.html http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/classes/applications/NXcanSAS.html]
* '''Examples''': [https://github.com/canSAS-org/NXcanSAS_examples https://github.com/canSAS-org/NXcanSAS_examples]
* '''GitHub (NeXus)''': [https://github.com/nexusformat/definitions https://github.com/nexusformat/definitions]
* '''poster''': [[Media:2017-05-09_NXcanSAS_2D_format.pdf|PDF]]

== Enhancing the sharing and re-use of small-angle scattering data ==

The drive to more complex SAS experiments, larger data volumes, and
requirements for open data and data repositories calls for standardised,
community-based approaches to data interchange. Enabling automated, traceable,
data processing analysis workflows requires rich metadata to enhance the
usability of the scattering data itself.

Advancing these aims, and building on shared community experience,
[http://www.cansas.org canSAS]
are pleased to announce the next generation small-angle
scattering reduced data storage format: '''NXcanSAS'''.

The format, employing [http://nexusformat.org NeXus] structured
[https://support.hdfgroup.org/HDF5/ HDF5] files, allows for the storage of
reduced small-angle scattering data of multiple dimension. Supporting a wide
range of metadata, and a flexible description of both uncertainties and
resolution information, the format is user-extensible and capable of storing
data from any small-angle scattering beamline.

'''NXcanSAS''' is implemented fully in
[http://www.mantidproject.org Mantid],
[http://dawnsci.org DAWN], and
[http://www.sasview.org SasView].
Software using HDF5 libraries can read and write '''NXcanSAS'''.

Visualization software that can plot data from '''NXcanSAS''' files include
[https://sourceforge.net/projects/pymca PyMCA] and
[http://nexpy.github.io/nexpy/ NeXpy].

Read more about canSAS activities at http://www.cansas.org

Documentation and the technical specification for '''NXcanSAS''' are found in the NeXus manual:
http://download.nexusformat.org/doc/html/classes/applications/NXcanSAS.html

For more information, contact: Pete Jemian <jemian@anl.gov>

== Acknowledgements ==

canSAS Data Formats Working Group:

* Pete Jemian (APS)
* Andrew Jackson (ESS)
* Tobias Richter (ESS)
* Paul Butler (NIST)
* Steve King (STFC)
* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala Univ.)
* Brian Pauw (BAM)
* Ron Ghosh (ILL)

This work was supported in part by the U.S. Department of Energy,
Office of Science, under Contract No. DE-AC-02-06CH11357.

2017-06-05T23:46:56Z

Jemian: complete the notes

NOTES FOR GROUP D

== main points ==

* not much familiarity with the SAS portal
** action: get people to visit and give feedback

* encourage creation of new content and refer to it from the portal

* sponsor a prize for video aligned with canSAS aims
** science case
** technique case
** commercial sponsorship
** target debut at SAS2018

--------------

== notes ==

=== SAS portal ===

* not much familiarity with the portal
* Steve King edits most updates (does heu want assistance?)
* most popular page: software catalog
* What should the portal provide?
* Most SAS awareness for newcomers comes from word-of-mouth
* instrument scientists could be a common point of contact
* Anton Paar has a SAS training book they distribute, perhaps even online
* short videos online (3 minutes typical)
** work in pairs to present (such as senior & junior presenters)

* bio sas community seems better organized
* bio sas community is more focused
* major facilities have periodic training courses
** post videos and notify portal

* Is a forum (like StackOverflow) viable?
* paid support to revise & modernize the portal

==== Actions ====

* get people to visit the portal
** and give feedback

* notify the portal editors of new content
* encourage creation of new content

=== Education ===

* videos!
* users seem to get even less time for training
* what depth of knowledge is necessary for a given analysis?
* written document of best practices

=== Outreach ===

* majority experience at lab sources
* advocacy at conferences
* outreach for oversubscribed facilities means competition
* canSAS video prize sponsorship (see above)

InfoGroupD

2017-06-05T23:40:43Z

Jemian: notes from discussion

NOTES FOR GROUP D

== main points ==

* not much familiarity with the SAS portal
** action: get people to visit and give feedback

* encourage creation of new content and refer to it from the portal

* sponsor a prize for video aligned with canSAS aims
** science case
** technique case
** commercial sponsorship
** target debut at SAS2018

--------------

## notes

### SAS portal

* not much familiarity with the portal
* Steve King edits most updates (does heu want assistance?)
* most popular page: software catalog
* What should the portal provide?
* Most SAS awareness for newcomers comes from word-of-mouth
* instrument scientists could be a common point of contact
* Anton Paar has a SAS training book they distribute, perhaps even online
* short videos online (3 minutes typical)
* bio sas community seems better organized
* bio sas community is more focused
* major facilities have periodic training courses
** post videos and notify portal

* Is a forum (like StackOverflow) viable?
* paid support to revise & modernize the portal

#### Actions

* get people to visit the portal
** and give feedback

* notify the portal editors of new content

### Edcuation

### Outreach

2014-12-30T20:14:30Z

Jemian: add background colors to coordinate similar activities

== Schedule ==

(tentative) Daily schedule for the 2015 [[canSAS-VIII]] meeting at J-PARC

=== Tuesday 2015 April 14 ===

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! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 9:00 - 9:15
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | plenary
| style="background:bisque" | host: Welcome Presentation
|-
! 9:15 - 9:45
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 9:45 - 10:15
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | plenary
| style="background:#e4dfec" | presentation ...
|-
! 10:15 - 10:30
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | tea, coffee
|-
! 10:30 - 11:00
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 11:00 - 11:30
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | plenary
| style="background:#e4dfec" | presentation ...
|-
! 11:30 - 12:00
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 12:00 - 12:30
| align="center" style="background:#ebf1de" | plenary
| style="background:#ebf1de" | discussion
|-
! 12:30 - 13:30
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | lunch
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | ...
|-
! 13:30 - 15:30
| align="center" | groups
| group A1: ____, group B1: ____, group C1: ____, group D1: ____
|-
! 15:30 - 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | tea, coffee, poster session
|-
! 16:00 - 16:10
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | group A1: report
|-
! 16:10 - 16:20
| align="center" style="background:#f2dcdb" | plenary
| style="background:#f2dcdb" | group B1: report
|-
! 16:20 - 16:30
| align="center" style="background:#ffdc6d" | plenary
| style="background:#ffdc6d" | group C1: report
|-
! 16:30 - 16:40
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | plenary
| style="background:#e4dfec" | group D1: report
|-
! 16:40 - 17:00
| align="center" style="background:#ebf1de" | plenary
| style="background:#ebf1de" | discussion
|-
! 19:00 - 22:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | dinner
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | ...
|}

=== Wednesday 2015 April 15 ===

{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 9:00 - 9:30
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 9:30 - 10:00
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | plenary
| style="background:#e4dfec" | presentation ...
|-
! 10:00 - 10:30
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 10:30 - 11:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | tea, coffee
|-
! 11:00 - 11:30
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | plenary
| style="background:#e4dfec" | presentation ...
|-
! 11:30 - 12:00
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 12:00 - 12:30
| align="center" style="background:#ebf1de" | plenary
| style="background:#ebf1de" | discussion
|-
! 12:30 - 13:30
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | lunch
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | ...
|-
! 13:30 - 15:30
| align="center" | tour and groups
| J-PARC tour, group A2: ____, group B2: ____
|-
! 15:30 - 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | tea, coffee, poster session
|-
! 16:00 - 16:10
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | group A2: report
|-
! 16:10 - 16:20
| align="center" style="background:#f2dcdb" | plenary
| style="background:#f2dcdb" | group B2: report
|-
! 16:20 - 17:00
| align="center" style="background:#ebf1de" | plenary
| style="background:#ebf1de" | discussion
|-
! 19:00 - 22:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | dinner
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | ...
|}

=== Thursday 2015 April 16 ===

{| {{Tablestyle}}|-
! {{Headcellstyle}} | time
! {{Headcellstyle}} | activity
! {{Headcellstyle}} | title
|-
! 9:00 - 9:30
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 9:30 - 10:00
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | plenary
| style="background:#e4dfec" | presentation ...
|-
! 10:00 - 10:30
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 10:30 - 11:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | tea, coffee
|-
! 11:00 - 11:30
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | plenary
| style="background:#e4dfec" | presentation ...
|-
! 11:30 - 12:00
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | presentation ...
|-
! 12:00 - 12:30
| align="center" style="background:#ebf1de" | plenary
| style="background:#ebf1de" | discussion
|-
! 12:30 - 13:30
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | lunch
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | ...
|-
! 13:30 - 15:30
| align="center" | groups
| group A1: ____, group B1: ____, group C1: ____, group D1: ____
|-
! 15:30 - 16:00
| align="center" style="background:#f2f2f2" | break
| style="background:#f2f2f2" | tea, coffee, poster session
|-
! 16:00 - 16:10
| align="center" style="background:#dce6f1" | plenary
| style="background:#dce6f1" | group A3: report
|-
! 16:10 - 16:20
| align="center" style="background:#f2dcdb" | plenary
| style="background:#f2dcdb" | group B3: report
|-
! 16:20 - 16:30
| align="center" style="background:#ffdc6d" | plenary
| style="background:#ffdc6d" | group C3: report
|-
! 16:30 - 16:40
| align="center" style="background:#e4dfec" | plenary
| style="background:#e4dfec" | group D3: report
|-
! 16:40 - 17:00
| align="center" style="background:#ebf1de" | plenary
| style="background:#ebf1de" | discussion
|-
! 17:00 - 17:30
| align="center" style="background:bisque" | plenary
| style="background:bisque" | closing remarks
|}

canSAS-VIII-schedule

2014-12-30T18:54:20Z

Jemian: formatting

canSAS-VIII

2014-12-30T18:37:15Z

Jemian: point to schedule

= CROSS/JPARC in Japan - April 14-16, 2015 =

__TOC__

== Goals ==
At the [http://www.smallangles.net/canSASV/intro.html canSAS-V] meeting in Washington DC in the fall of 2007, the canSAS community (collective action for nomadic small angle scatters) continued the trend started at the [[canSAS-IV | previous meeting in the UK]] of moving the discussion beyond data formats to discuss the variety of issues that affect SAS practioners worldwide. At that meeting, participants also started discussing how to build a community of practitioners and to move beyond discussions at meetings to sustainalble longer term action and achievents that respond to themes and issues identified at these meetings; moving beyond talk to the action in its name. Several [[canSAS_Working_Groups | working groups]] were set up to continue working after the meeting. Since then, the cansas.org domain was acquired, this wiki and a web presence were set up, and the working groups have moved forward. In the summer of 2012 a small [[canSAS-2012 | workshop]] (with the focus on "work") was held in Uppsala to advance the work of three of the working groups. Progress has been presented at the international SAS meeetings in Oxford in 2009 and Sydney in 2012.

The time is now ripe for the community to come together again as a whole, at a dedicated meeting, away from the distractions of other meetings to discuss how issues have evolved and what the current challenges are for the community. In that vein the community is encouraged to participate early in shaping the content of the meeting by suggesting topics and speakers/discussion group leaders. Once again we hope to leave the meeting with some concrete action plans icluding hosting a session at the 2015 SAS meeting in Berlin to report on this meeting.

== Venue ==

The meeting is hosted by JPARC and CROSS and will be held at the Ibaraki Quantum Beam Research Center (IQBRC) in Tokai, Japan.

[http://www.cross-tokai.jp/en/visit/ Getting to CROSS]

== Schedule ==

The daily schedule for this meeting is posted: [[canSAS-VIII-schedule]]

== Registration ==

Note that as a community (grass roots) effort there are no specific funds to support the local organizing expenses of such meetings. Instead these expenses will be covered through the small registration fee of 15,000 JPY asked of each paricipant.

== Meeting Structure and Topics ==
The plan is to have a mix of plenary lectures on important topics, some plenary discussions, as well as several break out/parallel sessions to discuss how we as a community might address specific issues. Potential topic currently include:
* Data analysis issues
** Co-refinement of SAXS and SANS
** Goodness of fit criteria and true parameter uncertainty estimates
** Multiscale analysis issues
* Reproducibility and Reliability
** Understanding sources of errors and uncertainties and their effect on data interpretation
*** instrumental corrections/issues
*** resolution
*** multiple scattering issues
** Reference and Calibration standards
* SAS portal
* GISAS
* Data formats

All presentations will be given in English.

==Local Organizing Committee ==
* Jun-ichi Suzuki(CROSS)
* Kazuki Ohishi(CROSS)
* Hiroki Iwase (CROSS)
* Shin-ichi Takata (J-PARC)
* Mitsuhiro Shibayama (ISSP)

== Program Committee ==
* Paul Butler (NIST)
* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala Univ.)
* Sung-Min Choi (KAIST)
* Duncan McGillivray (NZ)
* Pete Jemian (APS)
* Naoto Yagi (Spring-8)

canSAS-VIII-schedule

2014-12-30T18:35:09Z

Jemian: create tentative schedule

== Schedule ==

(tentative) Daily schedule for the 2015 [[canSAS-VIII]] meeting at J-PARC

=== Tuesday 2015 April 14 ===

{| border="1"
|-
! time || activity || title
|-
| 09:00 - 09:15
| align="center" | plenary
| host: Welcome Presentation
|-
| 09:15 - 09:45
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 09:45 - 10:15
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 10:15 - 10:30
| align="center" | break
| tea, coffee
|-
| 10:30 - 11:00
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 11:00 - 11:30
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 11:30 - 12:00
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 12:00 - 12:30
| align="center" | plenary
| discussion
|-
| 12:30 - 13:30
| align="center" | lunch
| ...
|-
| 13:30 - 15:30
| align="center" | groups
| group A1: ____, group B1: ____, group C1: ____, group D1: ____
|-
| 15:30 - 16:00
| align="center" | break
| tea, coffee, poster session
|-
| 16:00 - 16:10
| align="center" | plenary
| group A1: report
|-
| 16:10 - 16:20
| align="center" | plenary
| group B1: report
|-
| 16:20 - 16:30
| align="center" | plenary
| group C1: report
|-
| 16:30 - 16:40
| align="center" | plenary
| group D1: report
|-
| 16:40 - 17:00
| align="center" | plenary
| discussion
|-
| 19:00 - 22:00
| align="center" | dinner
| ...
|}

=== Wednesday 2015 April 15 ===

{| border="1"
|-
! time || activity || title
|-
| 09:00 - 09:30
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 09:30 - 10:00
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 10:00 - 10:30
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 10:30 - 11:00
| align="center" | plenary
| tea, coffee
|-
| 11:00 - 11:30
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 11:30 - 12:00
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 12:00 - 12:30
| align="center" | plenary
| discussion
|-
| 12:30 - 13:30
| align="center" | lunch
| ...
|-
| 13:30 - 15:30
| align="center" | tour and groups
| J-PARC tour, group A2: ____, group B2: ____
|-
| 15:30 - 16:00
| align="center" | plenary
| tea, coffee, poster session
|-
| 16:00 - 16:10
| align="center" | plenary
| group A2: report
|-
| 16:10 - 16:20
| align="center" | plenary
| group B2: report
|-
| 16:20 - 17:00
| align="center" | plenary
| discussion
|-
| 19:00 - 22:00
| align="center" | dinner
| ...
|}

=== Thursday 2015 April 16 ===

{| border="1"
|-
! time || activity || title
|-
| 09:00 - 09:30
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 09:30 - 10:00
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 10:00 - 10:30
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 10:30 - 11:00
| align="center" | plenary
| tea, coffee
|-
| 11:00 - 11:30
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 11:30 - 12:00
| align="center" | plenary
| presentation ...
|-
| 12:00 - 12:30
| align="center" | plenary
| discussion
|-
| 12:30 - 13:30
| align="center" | lunch
| ...
|-
| 13:30 - 15:30
| align="center" | groups
| group A3: ____, group B3: ____, group C3: ____, group D3: ____
|-
| 15:30 - 16:00
| align="center" | break
| tea, coffee, poster session
|-
| 16:00 - 16:10
| align="center" | plenary
| group A3: report
|-
| 16:10 - 16:20
| align="center" | plenary
| group B3: report
|-
| 16:20 - 16:30
| align="center" | plenary
| group C3: report
|-
| 16:30 - 16:40
| align="center" | plenary
| group D3: report
|-
| 16:40 - 17:00
| align="center" | plenary
| discussion
|-
| 17:00 - 17:30
| align="center" | plenary
| closing remarks
|}

canSAS-VIII

2014-12-30T17:38:57Z

Jemian: /* Meeting Structure and Topics */

= CROSS/JPARC in Japan - April 14-16, 2015 =

__TOC__

== Goals ==
At the [http://www.smallangles.net/canSASV/intro.html canSAS-V] meeting in Washington DC in the fall of 2007, the canSAS community (collective action for nomadic small angle scatters) continued the trend started at the [[canSAS-IV | previous meeting in the UK]] of moving the discussion beyond data formats to discuss the variety of issues that affect SAS practioners worldwide. At that meeting, participants also started discussing how to build a community of practitioners and to move beyond discussions at meetings to sustainalble longer term action and achievents that respond to themes and issues identified at these meetings; moving beyond talk to the action in its name. Several [[canSAS_Working_Groups | working groups]] were set up to continue working after the meeting. Since then, the cansas.org domain was acquired, this wiki and a web presence were set up, and the working groups have moved forward. In the summer of 2012 a small [[canSAS-2012 | workshop]] (with the focus on "work") was held in Uppsala to advance the work of three of the working groups. Progress has been presented at the international SAS meeetings in Oxford in 2009 and Sydney in 2012.

The time is now ripe for the community to come together again as a whole, at a dedicated meeting, away from the distractions of other meetings to discuss how issues have evolved and what the current challenges are for the community. In that vein the community is encouraged to participate early in shaping the content of the meeting by suggesting topics and speakers/discussion group leaders. Once again we hope to leave the meeting with some concrete action plans icluding hosting a session at the 2015 SAS meeting in Berlin to report on this meeting.

== Venue ==

The meeting is hosted by JPARC and CROSS and will be held at the Ibaraki Quantum Beam Research Center (IQBRC) in Tokai, Japan.

[http://www.cross-tokai.jp/en/visit/ Getting to CROSS]

== Registration ==

Note that as a community (grass roots) effort there are no specific funds to support the local organizing expenses of such meetings. Instead these expenses will be covered through the small registration fee of 15,000 JPY asked of each paricipant.

== Meeting Structure and Topics ==
The plan is to have a mix of plenary lectures on important topics, some plenary discussions, as well as several break out/parallel sessions to discuss how we as a community might address specific issues. Potential topic currently include:
* Data analysis issues
** Co-refinement of SAXS and SANS
** Goodness of fit criteria and true parameter uncertainty estimates
** Multiscale analysis issues
* Reproducibility and Reliability
** Understanding sources of errors and uncertainties and their effect on data interpretation
*** instrumental corrections/issues
*** resolution
*** multiple scattering issues
** Reference and Calibration standards
* SAS portal
* GISAS
* Data formats

All presentations will be given in English.

==Local Organizing Committee ==
* Jun-ichi Suzuki(CROSS)
* Kazuki Ohishi(CROSS)
* Hiroki Iwase (CROSS)
* Shin-ichi Takata (J-PARC)
* Mitsuhiro Shibayama (ISSP)

== Program Committee ==
* Paul Butler (NIST)
* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala Univ.)
* Sung-Min Choi (KAIST)
* Duncan McGillivray (NZ)
* Pete Jemian (APS)
* Naoto Yagi (Spring-8)

canSAS at the SAS-2012 Conference

2012-11-23T03:02:48Z

Jemian: link to the multi-dimensional presentation

Some presentations are available:

=canSAS Session=

A canSAS session was held at the SAS-2012 conference, November 2012.

The three working groups that met in Uppsala presented their progress to the broader community.
* The web portal for small-angle scattering was presented: [http://www.smallangle.org http://www.smallangle.org]
* The draft proposal for multidimensional treated data was discussed: [http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS2012/1.0/doc/ http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS2012/1.0/doc/]
* Introduction to Standardization [[File:canSAS_intro_standard.pdf | canSAS_intro_standard.pdf]]. Further standardization activities were then discussed.

=Regular Sessions=

Slides from these presentations are available:

* Round-robin measurements on the polystyrene latex standard: [http://www.cansas.org/wgwiki/images/d/d8/canSAS_Latex_PS_standard.pdf http://www.cansas.org/wgwiki/images/d/d8/canSAS_Latex_PS_standard.pdf]

* Current plans for the multi-dimensional format: [http://www.cansas.org/wgwiki/images/0/02/2012-11-21--Jemian--SAS2012.pdf http://www.cansas.org/wgwiki/images/0/02/2012-11-21--Jemian--SAS2012.pdf]

File:2012-11-21--Jemian--SAS2012.pdf

2012-11-23T02:50:54Z

Jemian: presentation of the canSAS 2012 plans for the multi-dimensional format at the 2012 International Small-Angle Scattering meeting in Sydney, Australia, http://sas2012.com

presentation of the canSAS 2012 plans for the multi-dimensional format at the 2012 International Small-Angle Scattering meeting in Sydney, Australia, http://sas2012.com

canSAS at the SAS-2012 Conference

2012-11-23T02:47:50Z

Jemian: /* canSAS Session */

Some presentations are available:

=canSAS Session=

A canSAS session was held at the SAS-2012 conference, November 2012.

The three working groups that met in Uppsala presented their progress to the broader community.
* The web portal for small-angle scattering was presented: [http://www.smallangle.org http://www.smallangle.org]
* The draft proposal for multidimensional treated data was discussed: [http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS2012/1.0/doc/ http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS2012/1.0/doc/]
* Introduction to Standardization [[File:canSAS_intro_standard.pdf | canSAS_intro_standard.pdf]]. Further standardization activities were then discussed.

=Regular Sessions=

The round-robin measurements on the polystyrene latex were presented.

http://www.cansas.org/wgwiki/index.php/File:canSAS_Latex_PS_standard.pdf [Round-robin Measurements [http://www.cansas.org/wgwiki/index.php/File:canSAS_Latex_PS_standard.pdf]]

Data Formats Working Group

2012-11-02T21:54:15Z

Jemian: /* Multi-dimensional */ typo in another URL

= Latest News =

[[User:Ajj|Ajj]] July 31st 2012 : [[2012 Data Discussion| canSAS 2012 Data Formats discussion page]]

= Links =

* '''mailing list''': [http://smallangles.net/pipermail/cansas-1dwg_smallangles.net/ http://smallangles.net/pipermail/cansas-1dwg_smallangles.net/]

===1D===

* '''Documentation''': [http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS1d/1.1/doc/ http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS1d/1.1/doc/]
* '''TRAC''': [http://www.cansas.org/trac http://www.cansas.org/trac]
* '''Subversion''': [http://www.cansas.org/svn/1dwg http://www.cansas.org/svn/1dwg]

===Multi-dimensional===

* '''Documentation''': [http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS2012/1.0/doc http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS2012/1.0/doc]
* '''TRAC''': [http://www.cansas.org/trac http://www.cansas.org/trac]
* '''Subversion''': [http://www.cansas.org/svn/1dwg http://www.cansas.org/svn/canSAS2012]

= Members =
* Andrew Jackson (ESS)
* Pete Jemian (APS)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Ken Littrell (ORNL)
* Andy Nelson (ANSTO)
* Ron Ghosh (ILL)
* Jan Ilavsky (APS)
* Tobias Richter (DLS)

= Timeline =
* 2007-12-31 agree on v1.0 format
* 2008-01-01 start implementing v1 at facilities
* 2008-06 representative sampling of data available for inter-facility comparison
* 2008-11-3 presentation of results at NOBUGS2008 meeting ([http://www.nbi.ansto.gov.au/nobugs2008 http://www.nbi.ansto.gov.au/nobugs2008])
* 2009-05-12 tagged SVN changeset 67 as v1.0 since it has been unmodified since January
* 2009-09-17 Agreed that v1.1 revision should be forthcoming with corrections/additions to be identified in TRAC tickets

= Status =
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 11:10, 06 September 2008 (CDT) IgorPro GUI tool included in Irena [http://usaxs.xor.aps.anl.gov/staff/ilavsky/irena.html Irena] analysis suite 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 13:08, 14 March 2008 (EDT) IgorPro tool to read cansas1d/1.0 XML files available 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 13:38, 25 February 2008 (EST) starting to add case studies 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 00:39, 21 December 2007 (EST) complete first draft (v0.1a) ready for comments from 1DWG 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 12:00, 14 December 2007 (EST) draft status updated 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 17:07, 12 May 2009 (EDT) changeset 67 tagged as v1.0

= Examples and Usage =
The following are example v1.1 compliant 1D data files containing [besides essential metadata] - right-click & save as to view, stylesheet is on the TRAC site: 
SANS data only [[media:ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_SANS_Example.XML | ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_SANS_Example.XML]] 
Wavelength-dependent transmission [[media:ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Transmission_Example.XML | ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Transmission_Example.XML]] 
Wavelength-dependent monitor spectrum [[media:ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Monitor_Spectrum_Example.XML | ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Monitor_Spectrum_Example.XML]] 
Wavelength-dependent detector efficiency ratio [[media:ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Det_Efficiency_Example.XML | ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Det_Efficency_Example.XML]] 

The files can be usefully displayed in many web browsers: [[Rendering_canSAS1D_in_Web_Browsers]]

[[Category:Working Groups]]

Data Formats Working Group

2012-11-02T21:36:58Z

Jemian: /* 1D */ typo in the URL

= Latest News =

[[User:Ajj|Ajj]] July 31st 2012 : [[2012 Data Discussion| canSAS 2012 Data Formats discussion page]]

= Links =

* '''mailing list''': [http://smallangles.net/pipermail/cansas-1dwg_smallangles.net/ http://smallangles.net/pipermail/cansas-1dwg_smallangles.net/]

===1D===

* '''Documentation''': [http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS1d/1.1/doc/ http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS1d/1.1/doc/]
* '''TRAC''': [http://www.cansas.org/trac http://www.cansas.org/trac]
* '''Subversion''': [http://www.cansas.org/svn/1dwg http://www.cansas.org/svn/1dwg]

===Multi-dimensional===

* '''Documentation''': [http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS2012/v1.0/doc http://www.cansas.org/formats/canSAS2012/v1.0/doc]
* '''TRAC''': [http://www.cansas.org/trac http://www.cansas.org/trac]
* '''Subversion''': [http://www.cansas.org/svn/1dwg http://www.cansas.org/svn/canSAS2012]

= Members =
* Andrew Jackson (ESS)
* Pete Jemian (APS)
* Steve King (ISIS)
* Ken Littrell (ORNL)
* Andy Nelson (ANSTO)
* Ron Ghosh (ILL)
* Jan Ilavsky (APS)
* Tobias Richter (DLS)

= Timeline =
* 2007-12-31 agree on v1.0 format
* 2008-01-01 start implementing v1 at facilities
* 2008-06 representative sampling of data available for inter-facility comparison
* 2008-11-3 presentation of results at NOBUGS2008 meeting ([http://www.nbi.ansto.gov.au/nobugs2008 http://www.nbi.ansto.gov.au/nobugs2008])
* 2009-05-12 tagged SVN changeset 67 as v1.0 since it has been unmodified since January
* 2009-09-17 Agreed that v1.1 revision should be forthcoming with corrections/additions to be identified in TRAC tickets

= Status =
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 11:10, 06 September 2008 (CDT) IgorPro GUI tool included in Irena [http://usaxs.xor.aps.anl.gov/staff/ilavsky/irena.html Irena] analysis suite 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 13:08, 14 March 2008 (EDT) IgorPro tool to read cansas1d/1.0 XML files available 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 13:38, 25 February 2008 (EST) starting to add case studies 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 00:39, 21 December 2007 (EST) complete first draft (v0.1a) ready for comments from 1DWG 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 12:00, 14 December 2007 (EST) draft status updated 
[[User:Jemian|Jemian]] 17:07, 12 May 2009 (EDT) changeset 67 tagged as v1.0

= Examples and Usage =
The following are example v1.1 compliant 1D data files containing [besides essential metadata] - right-click & save as to view, stylesheet is on the TRAC site: 
SANS data only [[media:ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_SANS_Example.XML | ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_SANS_Example.XML]] 
Wavelength-dependent transmission [[media:ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Transmission_Example.XML | ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Transmission_Example.XML]] 
Wavelength-dependent monitor spectrum [[media:ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Monitor_Spectrum_Example.XML | ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Monitor_Spectrum_Example.XML]] 
Wavelength-dependent detector efficiency ratio [[media:ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Det_Efficiency_Example.XML | ISIS_SASXML_v1_1_Det_Efficency_Example.XML]] 

The files can be usefully displayed in many web browsers: [[Rendering_canSAS1D_in_Web_Browsers]]

[[Category:Working Groups]]

Talk:2012 Data Discussion Examples

2012-08-02T12:57:09Z

Jemian:

Here is an XML representation of "simple 1D SAS data, I(Q)" with the recommended minimum content:

<pre>
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<SASroot>

<SASentry name="Glassy Carbon C4 12keV" version="1.0">
<Title>Glassy Carbon C4 12keV</Title>
<SASdata Q_indices="0" I_indices="Q">
<probe_type>xray</probe_type>
<wavelength units="A">1.0401</wavelength>
41.891 40.201 38.805 39.174 37.668 38.389 38.162 36.95 35.963 36.582 37.064 36.647 36.561 35.946 35.822 35.654 35.628 35.028 35.321 34.752 35.107 36.086 36.054 35.279 35.002 34.389 34.483 34.04 34.088 33.926 33.712 33.26 33.291 32.67 32.725 32.069 31.839 31.279 30.941 30.997 30.838 30.563 30.316 30.305 29.986 29.68 29.088 28.198 26.64 24.753 22.703 20.222 17.673 14.899 12.334 9.9023 7.7647 6.0324 4.618 3.4271 2.617 1.8987 1.3594 1.0213 0.79412 0.63905 0.52863 0.46674 0.41046 0.37084 0.35935 0.34276 0.3461 0.31717 0.34035 0.34355
<Q units="1/A" size="76">0.0018044 0.0019689 0.0021461 0.0023439 0.0025541 0.002777 0.0030332 0.0033119 0.0036075 0.0039185 0.0042578 0.0046218 0.0050239 0.0054794 0.0059625 0.0065058 0.0070752 0.0076841 0.0083591 0.009109 0.009917 0.010765 0.01172 0.012752 0.013867 0.015099 0.016406 0.017873 0.019445 0.021167 0.023018 0.025027 0.027234 0.029621 0.032208 0.035035 0.03811 0.04148 0.045116 0.049066 0.053353 0.058019 0.063092 0.068594 0.074575 0.0811 0.088237 0.095982 0.10441 0.11356 0.12344 0.13418 0.14583 0.15852 0.17232 0.18734 0.20366 0.22145 0.24084 0.26199 0.28493 0.30992 0.33703 0.36631 0.39821 0.43295 0.47089 0.51219 0.55692 0.60534 0.65817 0.71584 0.77827 0.84602 0.92003 1.0002</Q>
<Idev units="1/cm" size="76">0.9362 1.532 1.759 1.7576 1.6181 1.4047 1.2086 1.0872 1.0147 0.94521 0.87545 0.8171 0.76417 0.70814 0.6649 0.66703 0.71598 0.77011 0.79366 0.79094 0.78454 0.7743 0.74185 0.69531 0.66643 0.6597 0.64683 0.61001 0.56436 0.54217 0.56108 0.60614 0.64647 0.66067 0.64294 0.60298 0.56325 0.53902 0.52239 0.49999 0.4781 0.47214 0.47869 0.48091 0.47822 0.48465 0.49664 0.4887 0.45095 0.40488 0.36857 0.34134 0.32551 0.3232 0.32401 0.31708 0.29758 0.26603 0.22926 0.19196 0.15547 0.12289 0.094627 0.069059 0.048284 0.034213 0.025044 0.018982 0.015616 0.014014 0.013543 0.014793 0.017034 0.017278 0.013616 0.0071977</Idev>
<SASnote>
from: 12_10_GlassyCarbon_C4_12keV.xml
APS_USAXS=32-ID;scan=21;file=12_10_GC_12keV.dat;dataType=desmeared;MSAXS=no;
Jemian/Lake desmearing method applied (details available ...)
There is lots more to this dataset but has not yet been recoded
</SASnote>
</SASdata>
<SASsample>
<ID>Glassy Carbon C4 12keV</ID>
<thickness units="mm">1</thickness>
</SASsample>
</SASentry>
</SASroot>
</pre>

canSAS-2012

2012-08-02T12:54:28Z

Jemian: /* Business Matters */

= 2012 Meeting of canSAS working groups =

[[File:cansas-2012-group-photo.jpg | 400px]]

__TOC__

= Purpose =

Work on specific matters important to the canSAS community as decided in previous conference calls.
It is expected that those attending this working session will already have strong foundation and
understanding and will come ready with knowledge, tools, and ideas to make significant progress
during the event. The specific projects and tasks, as well as the list of participants, are
described on this wiki and will be revised as the event draws near.

The three main themes are:

* Treated data format - developing a standard for multidimensional treated data and resolving issues that arise with the 1-d standard and its implementaion.
** Discussion Page : [[ 2012 Data Discussion ]]
** Report Page : [[ 2012 Data Working Group Report ]]
* Standardisation - intercomparison of measurements and software for data reduction and analysis so as to assess experimental and intstrumental reliability
** Discussion Page : [[ 2012 Standards Discussion ]]
** Report Page: [[ StandardsGroupReport ]]
* Development of a Global SAS web portal. This should be a general point of entry for the community to find information about small-angle scattering.
** Discussion Page : [[ 2012 Web Discussion ]]
** Report Page : [[ 2012 Web Working Group Report ]]

This page provides discussion of the themes, preliminary work and ideas : [[ 2012 Discussion]]

= Outcomes =

* 2-d data format
* A plan for standards
* Global SAS Web Portal
* presentation at SAS2012

= Time and Place =

== Dates ==

* 2012 July 28 - 31 (Saturday - Tuesday, inclusive)

== Meeting Location ==

Uppsala University
 Building: Angstrom Laboratory [http://www.polacksbacken.uu.se/Valkommen_till_Polacksbacken/Polacksbackens+historia/Angstromlaboratoriet/] Room(s): Faculty Room, Angstrom Lab. (2nd floor above main entrance). Additional break-out sessions in Rooms 61416 and 62416.

We will hold some web based sessions (Webinars) during the meeting so that people in the broader canSAS community that are unable to attend in person can participate in some of the discussions during the meeting.

== Schedule ==

* arrive the previous day (Friday, 2012-07-27)
* conference check-in first morning (Saturday, 2012-07-28), location Angstrom Laboratory
* meet all day (Sunday, 2012-07-29), location Angstrom Laboratory
* meet all day (Monday, 2012-07-30), location Angstrom Laboratory
* meet all day (Tuesday, 2012-07-31), location Angstrom Laboratory
* checkout next day (Wednesday, 2012-08-01)

== Daily Agenda ==

Meeting room is the Faculty Room (House 1, Floor 2 - directly above main entrance). We will also use rooms 61416 and 62416 for breakout sessions.

Here is a suggested schedule (tentative):

=== Saturday, 28 July 2012 ===
{| border="1"
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! Uppsala time || description || comments || UK BST || US CDT || AUS EST || Japan JST
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| 09:00 - 09:15 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Welcome and Introductions
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|-
| 09:15 - 10:30 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | 5 minute presentation by each participant of ideas and challenges ([[canSAS-2012#Presentations | see below]])
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 10:30 - 10:45 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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|-
| 10:45 - 11:10 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Report presentations
NIAC status and plans for SAS data formats 
Current plans and efforts of IUCr CSAS on standards 
Current plans and efforts of IUCr CSAS on SAS web efforts 
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 11:10 - 12:30 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Plenary discussion on standardisation, data formats, web portal
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|-
| 12:30 - 2:00 PM
| align="center" | lunch
| align="center" | Sandwiches in Coffee area - House 6, Floor 1.
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|-
| 2:00 - 3:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | '''Webinar'''
focused discussions of 20 min on each topic: 
standardisation, data formats, and web portal
| align="center" | 1:00-2:00 PM
| align="center" | 7:00-8:00 AM
| align="center" | 10:00-11:00 PM
| align="center" | 9:00-10:00 PM
|-
| 3:00 - 4:30 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | work in groups - standardisation, data formats, web portal
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 4:30 - 4:45 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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|-
| 4:45 - 6:00 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | work in groups - standardisation, data formats, web portal
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|-
| 6:30 - 8:00 PM
| align="center" | dinner
| align="center" | TBA
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 8:30 PM - ?
| align="center" | evening discussions
| align="center" | ad hoc
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|}

=== Sunday 29 July 2012 ===
{| border="1"
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! Uppsala time || description || comments
|-
| 08:45 - 09:45 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Reports, questions, and discussion
and plan day's work
|-
| 09:45 - 10:00 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
|-
| 10:00 - 12:00 noon
| align="center" | morning session
| align="center" | work in groups
|-
| 12:00 - 1:30 PM
| align="center" | lunch
| align="center" | Sandwiches in Coffee area - House 6, Floor 1.
|-
| 1:30 - 4:30 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | work in groups
|-
| 4:30 - 4:45 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
|-
| 4:45 - 6:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | reports and discussions
|-
| 6:30 - 8:00 PM
| align="center" | dinner
| align="center" | TBA
|-
| 8:30 PM - ?
| align="center" | evening discussions
| align="center" | ad hoc
|}

The intensity of deliberations takes its toll on Andrew & Lionel...

[[File:takingitstoll.jpg|400px]]

=== Monday 30 July 2012 ===
{| border="1"
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! Uppsala time || description || comments || UK BST || US CDT || AUS EST || Japan JST
|-
| 08:45 - 09:30 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | '''Webinar'''
| align="center" | 7:45-8:30 AM
| align="center" | 1:45-2:30 AM
| align="center" | 4:45-5:30 PM
| align="center" | 3:45-4:30 PM
|-
| 09:30 - 09:45 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 09:45 - 12:00 noon
| align="center" | morning session
| align="center" | work in groups
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|-
| 12:00 - 1:30 PM
| align="center" | lunch
| align="center" | to be determined
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|-
| 1:30 - 4:30 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | work in groups
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 4:30 - 4:45 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 4:45 - 6:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | reports and discussions - plan dissemination
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|-
| 6:30 - 8:00 PM
| align="center" | dinner
| align="center" | TBA
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 8:30 PM - ?
| align="center" | evening discussions
| align="center" | ad hoc
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|}

=== Tuesday 31 July 2012 ===
{| border="1"
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! Uppsala time || description || comments || UK BST || US CDT || AUS EST || Japan JST
|-
| 08:45 - 09:30 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Plan reports/outcomes*
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
|-
| 09:30 - 09:45 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
|-
| 09:45 - 12:00 noon
| align="center" | morning session
| align="center" | groups work on reports/outcomes*
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| align="center" |  
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| align="center" |  
|-
| 12:00 - 1:30 PM
| align="center" | lunch
| align="center" | to be determined
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| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
|-
| 1:30 - 3:45 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | groups work on reports/outcomes*
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
|-
| 3:45 - 4:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 4:00 - 6:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | '''Webinar'''
Presentation of prelim reports and concluding discussions
| align="center" | 3:00-5:00 PM
| align="center" | 9:00-11:00 AM
| align="center" | 12:00 midnight-2:00 AM (Wed. 1 Aug.)
| align="center" | 11:00 PM-1:00 AM
|-
| 6:30 - 8:00 PM
| align="center" | dinner
| align="center" | TBA
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
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|-
| 8:30 PM - ?
| align="center" | evening discussions
| align="center" | ad hoc
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|}
* Besides reports other outcomes could include schemas,api definitions, live web pages, etc.

=== Webinar Schedule and Themes ===

This list has been extracted from the above program.

Please use the specific links below for each date to join the webinars at the stated time. If you send your e-mail contact details to Adrian.Rennie@fysik.uu.se we can try to keep you informed of any late technical changes. If you have never attended an Adobe Connect meeting before the following tests and information may be helpful:

(a) Test your connection: https://connect.sunet.se/common/help/en/support/meeting_test.htm

(b) Get a quick overview: http://www.adobe.com/go/connectpro_overview

Reminder: it is a good idea to check your sound before the meeting. Use of a headset is strongly recommended to avoid background noise and feedback. You will be able to access the webinar as a 'guest'. Please give your name so that you are identified to other participants. Participants can contribute presentations and display material from their computers. When you connect to the meeting as a guest, you will need to wait for a host to accept your participation. It will be most efficient if everyone connects a little before the advertised start time!

You do not need specific software or licenses to participate in these meetings. You will be prompted to install Adobe Flash (free) if you wish to participate.

We can arrange other ad-hoc electronic meetings if necessary. Please contact participants or the host (Adrian Rennie) to make arrangements.

==== How to get to specific webinars ====

===== Saturday, 28 July 2012 =====

Focused discussions of 20 min on each topic:
standardisation, data formats, and web portal

To join the meeting go to the following link in a browser:
https://connect.sunet.se/cansas2012_i/

* Uppsala: 2:00 - 3:00 PM
* UK BST: 1:00 - 2:00 PM
* US CDT: 7:00 - 8:00 AM
* AUS EST: 10:00 - 11:00 PM
* Japan JST: 9:00 - 10:00 PM

===== Sunday, 29 July 2012 =====

no webinar

===== Monday, 30 July 2012 =====

This will provide updates on work at the meeting.

To join the meeting go to the following link in a browser:
https://connect.sunet.se/cansas_ii/

* Uppsala: 8:45 - 9:30 AM
* UK BST: 7:45 - 8:30 AM
* US CDT: 1:45 - 2:30 AM
* AUS EST: 4:45 - 5:30 PM
* Japan JST: 3:45 - 4:30 PM

===== Tuesday, 31 July 2012 =====

Presentation of preliminary reports and concluding discussions

To join the meeting go to the following link in a browser:
https://connect.sunet.se/cansas_iii/

* Uppsala: 4:00 - 6:00 PM
* UK BST: 3:00 - 5:00 PM
* US CDT: 9:00 - 11:00 AM
* AUS EST: 12:00 Midnight (Wednesday 1 August)- 2:00 AM (Wednesday 1 August)
* Japan JST: 11:00 PM (Tuesday 31 July) - 1:00 AM (Wednesday 1 August)

= Business Matters =

== Standard Reduced Data Format ==
More details and suggestions are on the Discussion Page: [[ 2012 Data Discussion ]].

* '''Re-enunciate purpose and benefits of a standard ''reduced data'' format'''
* '''1D Format'''
** agree a proposed extension of the current 1D standard
* '''2D Format'''
** define minimum information necessary for reduced data
** suggest format framework (NeXus extension, canSAS 1D extension, other) with brief discussion of the reason for the choice (including options considered, pros and cons of each, and final weighing)
** Guide to how to make implementation easy.
** Create straw format suitable for test/demonstration use and convert some test data for such a demonstration.
** Provide a plan for presentation at SAS 2012

== Calibration Standards ==

More details and suggestions are on the Discussion Page: [[ 2012 Standards Discussion ]]

*'''Standards'''
* Purpose and goals: Intercomparison of data measured on the same sample with different instruments and different techniques (SAXS, SANS, light scattering etc.) can prove valuable in a number of ways. In particular it aids understanding of details of the experimental methods and it can help assess reliability. In a similar way, looking at results of data reduction or analysis generated with different software can provide valuable information about performance and verification of methodology. Specifically these activities should:
** Discuss what types of tests are interesting/important, intensity, resolution etc.
** Consider related issues: Inelastic, Multiple scattering, Wavelength contamination, Detector efficiencies at different wavelengths
* Outcomes needed are:
** A written plan to sustain long term effort in this area
** This should describe how to seed, co-ordinate and publicise “ad-hoc” projects ,
** Assess how frequently exercises can be undertaken
** Define good ways to disseminate/share results. This will including “advertising” projects and using them as input for other activities.
* We should aim to define a list of 2 or 3 projects for work in the near term. This should include a plan of action and participants for each.
* We should have a plan for presentation at SAS 2012. (This might just be an announcement of the plan and see who wants to participate?.)
== Global SAS Web Portal ==

More details and suggestions are on the Discussion Page: [[ 2012 Web Discussion ]]

* define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
* list content type to which such a portal should give access.
* Suggest method for hosting
* Build a working straw landing page prototype
* Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
* plan for presentations
** SAS 2012
** SAS commission

== Projects and Tasks ==

These items are sorted in order of priority that they be finished.

# 2-D format
# Standardization
# SAS web portal

== Presentations ==

These presentation were given on the first day:
* Pete Jemian (APS): [[media:2012-07-28-jemian-APS-overview.pdf | Status and challenges at the APS]]
* Andrew Jackson (ESS): [[media:ajj-5min.pdf | Thoughts on Data Formats and Web Portals]]
* Adrian Rennie (Uppsala University): [[media:Standardisation.pdf | Introduction to Standardisation]]

= Practical Matters =

== Registration ==

Please inform Adrian Rennie of your intention to particpate and send details of your arrival and departure dates. You should book the accommodation directly with the hotel - see below.

== Hotel ==

Clarion Hotel Gillet, Uppsala
 Dragarbrunnsgatan 23,
 753 20 Uppsala, Sweden

*Expect hotel rate to be 570 SEK for 1 Single Bed (approximate, subject to change)
*Please reserve your own rooms directly with the hotel (website, phone, ...)

The quoted rate at the hotel should include breakfast. This hotel is in the centre of Uppsala (see map) and is a few minutes walk from the railway station.

;Web site: http://www.clarionhotelgillet.com/
;telephone: +46 (0) 18 68 18 00
;fax: +46 (0) 18 68 18 18
;e-mail: cl.uppsala@choice.se
;[http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=Clarion+Hotel+Gillet,+Uppsala++Dragarbrunnsgatan+23,+753+20+Uppsala,+Sweden&hl=en&cid=6476341721226749910 map reference]:

== Directions and Maps ==

* map to hotel: [http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Stockholm+Arlanda+(ARN):+international+airport&daddr=Uppsala,+Sweden&hl=en&sll=59.745326,17.796478&sspn=0.290609,0.701065&geocode=FRE_jgMdbLsRASG2Z_q9nBX8JQ%3BFYRekQMdDyYNASmNqzKF-8tfRjEHCIKFCulPqg&gl=us&dirflg=r&ttype=now&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&mra=prev&t=h&z=11&start=0 google directions from airport]
* airport: Stockholm Arlanda (ARN): international
* taxi: Uppsala Taxi +4618 100000
* train: [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=type:transit_station:%22Uppsala+Centralstation%22&hl=en&ll=59.858518,17.645931&spn=0.004525,0.010954&sll=59.858534,17.646086&sspn=0.000000,0.000000&view=map&ftid=0x465fcbf9a0d697b1:0x1901cc46b512aff6&ftt=321&geocode=FWZekQMdBkINAQ&hnear=Uppsala+Centralstation&t=h&z=17 Trains] from airport to Uppsala take about 20 minutes. Frequency every 30 minutes. [http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=type:transit_station:%22Uppsala+Centralstation%22&hl=en&ftid=0x465fcbf9a0d697b1:0x1901cc46b512aff6 map reference]

The most convenient and fastest means to reach the hotel from the airport is usually to take the trains from Arlanda Central station (under SkyCity) to Uppsala. Upptåget trains leave the airport at xx:27 and xx:57 thoughout the day and take 20 minutes. The fare is 140 SEK (one way) and this can be paid with cash or by credit card at the ticket desk or using machines (red ticket machines - credit card only). If you plan to take a long distance train operated by Swedish Railways (SJ) you should buy different tickets. The hotel is a few minutes walk from the station in Uppsala.

You can also take the bus 801 from Arlanda Airport to Uppsala which departs every 30 minutes and takes about 40 minutes. The buses leave from stop number 13 (there is a stop with this number outside each terminal). Tickets can be bought at the airport or with a Swedish mobile phone or a Visa/Master Card on the bus. Cash is not accepted on the bus.

If you plan to take a taxi you can prebook a taxi and there is a fixed rate from the airport to Uppsala. You should make certain that you use one of the Uppsala taxi companies if you simply go to the rank at the airport.

== Other Details ==

=== Host ===

* Adrian Rennie
** institute: Uppsala University
** email: Adrian.Rennie@fysik.uu.se
** office phone: +46184713596

=== Costs ===

* Conference fee: no fee
* regular meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner) will be traveller's expense

=== Equipment ===

{| border="1"
|-
! item || quantity || who provides?
|-
| projector & screen
| align="center" | 1 for each meeting room
| align="center" | host
|-
| LCD displays, keyboards, & mice
| align="center" | a few if needed
| align="center" | host
|-
| electrical power extension cords
| align="center" | plenty
| align="center" | host
|-
| foreign electrical power adapter
| align="center" | as needed
| align="center" | traveller
|-
| Wi-Fi connections
| align="center" | sufficient
| align="center" | host venue
|}

= Participants =

{|class="wikitable sortable"
|-
! participant || affiliation || arriving || departing || registration? || other
|-
| Adrian Rennie
| align="center" | [http://www.uu.se Uppsala University]
| align="center" | host
| align="center" | host
| align="center" | host
| align="center" |  
|-
| Paul Butler
| align="center" | [http://www.nist.gov NIST]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-02
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Andrew Jackson
| align="center" | [http://www.esss.se ESS]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Pete Jemian
| align="center" | [http://www.aps.anl.gov APS]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Steve King
| align="center" | [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/index.html ISIS]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Tobias Richter
| align="center" | [http://www.diamond.ac.uk/ Diamond Light Source]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Lionel Porcar
| align="center" | [http://www.ill.eu/ Institut Laue Langevin]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Masaaki Sugiyama
| align="center" | [http://www.rri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/en/index.html Kyoto University]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-07-30
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Ron Ghosh
| align="center" | University College London
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Yuya Shinohara
| align="center" | University of Tokyo
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Sarah Rogers
| align="center" | [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/index.html ISIS]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-07-29
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Maja Hellsing
| align="center" | [http://www.uu.se Uppsala University]
| align="center" | host
| align="center" | host
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-
| Duncan McGillivray
| align="center" | [http://web.chemistry.auckland.ac.nz/staff-profile-jahia.aspx?staffid=207 University of Aukland]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
|-

|}

= Final Report =

Draft versions of the reports of work of groups at the meeting can be found at:

== Group Reports ==

Data Format Group http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/2012_Data_Working_Group_Report

Standards Group http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/StandardsGroupReport

Web Portal Group http://www.smallangles.net/wgwiki/index.php/2012_Web_Working_Group_Report

The new web portal for the small angle scattering community is http://www.smallangle.org/

== General Remarks ==

The work in these areas is ongoing. Specific actions have been identified by the work groups. Some general activities that encompass several themes will be:

* A presentation and discussion session will be held at the SAS2012 Conference in Sydney in November 2012. This will describe activities and ask for broader participation.
* Updates to the work group mail lists will be required for technical reasons and the opportunity will be taken to review the membersip of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation will be removed.

== Acknowledgements ==

The results described arise from four full days of intensive work in small groups during the meeting in Uppsala and from preparatory work. We acknowledge the generous support of the agencies employing the particpants that have made available time and travel resources to permit the co-operative work. We are also grateful to people who have given freely of their own time to support the SAS community. Just the direct participation amounts to about two-person months of effort. These 'sponsors' are APS (Argonne National Laboratory), NCNR (National Institute of Standards and Technology), ISIS (STFC), the Diamond Light Source, the European Spallation Source, Institut Laue Langevin, University of Auckland, Kyoto University, University of Tokyo and Uppsala University. We are also grateful for further participation from ANSTO, APS and ESRF in webinars and by making contributions to discussion on the wiki.

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]

canSAS-2012

2012-07-31T15:10:40Z

Jemian: /* Saturday, 28 July 2012 */

= 2012 Meeting of canSAS working groups =

[[File:cansas-2012-group-photo.jpg | 400px]]

__TOC__

= Purpose =

Work on specific matters important to the canSAS community as decided in previous conference calls.
It is expected that those attending this working session will already have strong foundation and
understanding and will come ready with knowledge, tools, and ideas to make significant progress
during the event. The specific projects and tasks, as well as the list of participants, are
described on this wiki and will be revised as the event draws near.

The three main themes are:

* Treated data format - developing a standard for multidimensional treated data and resolving issues that arise with the 1-d standard and its implementaion.
** Discussion Page : [[ 2012 Data Discussion ]]
** Report Page : [[ 2012 Data Working Group Report ]]
* Standardisation - intercomparison of measurements and software for data reduction and analysis so as to assess experimental and intstrumental reliability
** Discussion Page : [[ 2012 Standards Discussion ]]
* Development of a Global SAS web portal. This should be a general point of entry for the community to find information about small-angle scattering.
** Discussion Page : [[ 2012 Web Discussion ]]
** Report Page : [[ 2012 Web Working Group Report ]]

This page provides discussion of the themes, preliminary work and ideas : [[ 2012 Discussion]]

= Outcomes =

* 2-d data format
* A plan for standards
* Global SAS Web Portal
* presentation at SAS2012

= Time and Place =

== Dates ==

* 2012 July 28 - 31 (Saturday - Tuesday, inclusive)

== Meeting Location ==

Uppsala University
 Building: Angstrom Laboratory [http://www.polacksbacken.uu.se/Valkommen_till_Polacksbacken/Polacksbackens+historia/Angstromlaboratoriet/] Room(s): Faculty Room, Angstrom Lab. (2nd floor above main entrance). Additional break-out sessions in Rooms 61416 and 62416.

We will hold some web based sessions (Webinars) during the meeting so that people in the broader canSAS community that are unable to attend in person can participate in some of the discussions during the meeting.

== Schedule ==

* arrive the previous day (Friday, 2012-07-27)
* conference check-in first morning (Saturday, 2012-07-28), location Angstrom Laboratory
* meet all day (Sunday, 2012-07-29), location Angstrom Laboratory
* meet all day (Monday, 2012-07-30), location Angstrom Laboratory
* meet all day (Tuesday, 2012-07-31), location Angstrom Laboratory
* checkout next day (Wednesday, 2012-08-01)

== Daily Agenda ==

Meeting room is the Faculty Room (House 1, Floor 2 - directly above main entrance). We will also use rooms 61416 and 62416 for breakout sessions.

Here is a suggested schedule (tentative):

=== Saturday, 28 July 2012 ===
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| 09:00 - 09:15 AM
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| align="center" | Welcome and Introductions
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| 09:15 - 10:30 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | 5 minute presentation by each participant of ideas and challenges ([[canSAS-2012#Presentations | see below]])
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| 10:30 - 10:45 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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| 10:45 - 11:10 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Report presentations
NIAC status and plans for SAS data formats 
Current plans and efforts of IUCr CSAS on standards 
Current plans and efforts of IUCr CSAS on SAS web efforts 
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| 11:10 - 12:30 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Plenary discussion on standardisation, data formats, web portal
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| 12:30 - 2:00 PM
| align="center" | lunch
| align="center" | Sandwiches in Coffee area - House 6, Floor 1.
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| 2:00 - 3:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | '''Webinar'''
focused discussions of 20 min on each topic: 
standardisation, data formats, and web portal
| align="center" | 1:00-2:00 PM
| align="center" | 7:00-8:00 AM
| align="center" | 10:00-11:00 PM
| align="center" | 9:00-10:00 PM
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| 3:00 - 4:30 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | work in groups - standardisation, data formats, web portal
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| 4:30 - 4:45 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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| 4:45 - 6:00 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | work in groups - standardisation, data formats, web portal
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| 6:30 - 8:00 PM
| align="center" | dinner
| align="center" | TBA
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| 8:30 PM - ?
| align="center" | evening discussions
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=== Sunday 29 July 2012 ===
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! Uppsala time || description || comments
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| 08:45 - 09:45 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Reports, questions, and discussion
and plan day's work
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| 09:45 - 10:00 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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| 10:00 - 12:00 noon
| align="center" | morning session
| align="center" | work in groups
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| 12:00 - 1:30 PM
| align="center" | lunch
| align="center" | Sandwiches in Coffee area - House 6, Floor 1.
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| 1:30 - 4:30 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | work in groups
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| 4:30 - 4:45 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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| 4:45 - 6:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | reports and discussions
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| 6:30 - 8:00 PM
| align="center" | dinner
| align="center" | TBA
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| 8:30 PM - ?
| align="center" | evening discussions
| align="center" | ad hoc
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The intensity of deliberations takes its toll on Andrew & Lionel...

[[File:takingitstoll.jpg|400px]]

=== Monday 30 July 2012 ===
{| border="1"
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! Uppsala time || description || comments || UK BST || US CDT || AUS EST || Japan JST
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| 08:45 - 09:30 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | '''Webinar'''
| align="center" | 7:45-8:30 AM
| align="center" | 1:45-2:30 AM
| align="center" | 4:45-5:30 PM
| align="center" | 3:45-4:30 PM
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| 09:30 - 09:45 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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| 09:45 - 12:00 noon
| align="center" | morning session
| align="center" | work in groups
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| 12:00 - 1:30 PM
| align="center" | lunch
| align="center" | to be determined
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| 1:30 - 4:30 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | work in groups
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| 4:30 - 4:45 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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| 4:45 - 6:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | reports and discussions - plan dissemination
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| 6:30 - 8:00 PM
| align="center" | dinner
| align="center" | TBA
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| 8:30 PM - ?
| align="center" | evening discussions
| align="center" | ad hoc
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=== Tuesday 31 July 2012 ===
{| border="1"
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! Uppsala time || description || comments || UK BST || US CDT || AUS EST || Japan JST
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| 08:45 - 09:30 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | Plan reports/outcomes*
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| 09:30 - 09:45 AM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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| 09:45 - 12:00 noon
| align="center" | morning session
| align="center" | groups work on reports/outcomes*
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| 12:00 - 1:30 PM
| align="center" | lunch
| align="center" | to be determined
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| 1:30 - 3:45 PM
| align="center" | afternoon session
| align="center" | groups work on reports/outcomes*
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| 3:45 - 4:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | tea, coffee
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| 4:00 - 6:00 PM
| align="center" | plenary
| align="center" | '''Webinar'''
Presentation of prelim reports and concluding discussions
| align="center" | 3:00-5:00 PM
| align="center" | 9:00-11:00 AM
| align="center" | 12:00 midnight-2:00 AM (Wed. 1 Aug.)
| align="center" | 11:00 PM-1:00 AM
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| 6:30 - 8:00 PM
| align="center" | dinner
| align="center" | TBA
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| 8:30 PM - ?
| align="center" | evening discussions
| align="center" | ad hoc
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* Besides reports other outcomes could include schemas,api definitions, live web pages, etc.

=== Webinar Schedule and Themes ===

This list has been extracted from the above program.

Please use the specific links below for each date to join the webinars at the stated time. If you send your e-mail contact details to Adrian.Rennie@fysik.uu.se we can try to keep you informed of any late technical changes. If you have never attended an Adobe Connect meeting before the following tests and information may be helpful:

(a) Test your connection: https://connect.sunet.se/common/help/en/support/meeting_test.htm

(b) Get a quick overview: http://www.adobe.com/go/connectpro_overview

Reminder: it is a good idea to check your sound before the meeting. Use of a headset is strongly recommended to avoid background noise and feedback. You will be able to access the webinar as a 'guest'. Please give your name so that you are identified to other participants. Participants can contribute presentations and display material from their computers. When you connect to the meeting as a guest, you will need to wait for a host to accept your participation. It will be most efficient if everyone connects a little before the advertised start time!

You do no need specific software or licenses to participate in these meetings. You will be prompted to install Adobe Flash (free) if you wish to participate.

We can arrange other ad-hoc electronic meetings if necessary. Please contact participants or the host (Adrian Rennie) to make arrangements.

==== How to get to specific webinars ====

===== Saturday, 28 July 2012 =====

Focused discussions of 20 min on each topic:
standardisation, data formats, and web portal

To join the meeting go to the following link in a browser:
https://connect.sunet.se/cansas2012_i/

* Uppsala: 2:00 - 3:00 PM
* UK BST: 1:00 - 2:00 PM
* US CDT: 7:00 - 8:00 AM
* AUS EST: 10:00 - 11:00 PM
* Japan JST: 9:00 - 10:00 PM

===== Sunday, 29 July 2012 =====

no webinar

===== Monday, 30 July 2012 =====

This will provide updates on work at the meeting.

To join the meeting go to the following link in a browser:
https://connect.sunet.se/cansas_ii/

* Uppsala: 8:45 - 9:30 AM
* UK BST: 7:45 - 8:30 AM
* US CDT: 1:45 - 2:30 AM
* AUS EST: 4:45 - 5:30 PM
* Japan JST: 3:45 - 4:30 PM

===== Tuesday, 31 July 2012 =====

Presentation of preliminary reports and concluding discussions

To join the meeting go to the following link in a browser:
https://connect.sunet.se/cansas_iii/

* Uppsala: 4:00 - 6:00 PM
* UK BST: 3:00 - 5:00 PM
* US CDT: 9:00 - 11:00 AM
* AUS EST: 12:00 Midnight (Wednesday 1 August)- 2:00 AM (Wednesday 1 August)
* Japan JST: 11:00 PM (Tuesday 31 July) - 1:00 AM (Wednesday 1 August)

= Business Matters =

* '''Re-enunciate purpose and benefits of a standard ''reduced data'' format'''
** '''1D Format'''
*** agree a proposed extension of the current 1D standard
** '''2D Format'''
*** define minimum information necessary for reduced data
*** suggest format framework (NeXus extension, canSAS 1D extension, other) with brief discussion of the reason for the choice (including options considered, pros and cons of each, and final weighing)
*** Guide to how to make implementation easy.
*** Create straw format suitable for test/demonstration use and convert some test data for such a demonstration.
*** Provide a plan for presentation at SAS 2012
More details and suggestions are on the Discussion Page: [[ 2012 Data Discussion ]].
* '''Standards'''
** Purpose and goals: Intercomparison of data measured on the same sample with different instruments and different techniques (SAXS, SANS, light scattering etc.) can prove valuable in a number of ways. In particular it aids understanding of details of the experimental methods and it can help assess reliability. In a similar way, looking at results of data reduction or analysis generated with different software can provide valuable information about performance and verification of methodology. Specifically these activities should:
*** Discuss what types of tests are interesting/important, intensity, resolution etc.
*** Consider related issues: Inelastic, Multiple scattering, Wavelength contamination, Detector efficiencies at different wavelengths
** Outcomes needed are:
*** A written plan to sustain long term effort in this area
*** This should describe how to seed, co-ordinate and publicise “ad-hoc” projects ,
*** Assess how frequently exercises can be undertaken
*** Define good ways to disseminate/share results. This will including “advertising” projects and using them as input for other activities.
** We should aim to define a list of 2 or 3 projects for work in the near term. This should include a plan of action and participants for each.
** We should have a plan for presentation at SAS 2012. (This might just be an announcement of the plan and see who wants to participate?.)
More details and suggestions are on the Discussion Page: [[ 2012 Standards Discussion ]]
* '''Global SAS Web Portal'''
** define scope, purpose, and goal of portal
** list content type to which such a portal should give access.
** Suggest method for hosting
** Build a working straw landing page prototype
** Build at least 2 or 3 subpages and/or designs on paper
** plan for presentations
*** SAS 2012
*** SAS commission
More details and suggestions are on the Discussion Page: [[ 2012 Web Discussion ]]

== Projects and Tasks ==

These items are sorted in order of priority that they be finished.

# 2-D format
# Standardization
# SAS web portal

== Presentations ==

These presentation were given on the first day:
* Pete Jemian (APS): [[media:2012-07-28-jemian-APS-overview.pdf | status and challenges at the APS]]

= Practical Matters =

== Registration ==

Please inform Adrian Rennie of your intention to particpate and send details of your arrival and departure dates. You should book the accommodation directly with the hotel - see below.

== Hotel ==

Clarion Hotel Gillet, Uppsala
 Dragarbrunnsgatan 23,
 753 20 Uppsala, Sweden

*Expect hotel rate to be 570 SEK for 1 Single Bed (approximate, subject to change)
*Please reserve your own rooms directly with the hotel (website, phone, ...)

The quoted rate at the hotel should include breakfast. This hotel is in the centre of Uppsala (see map) and is a few minutes walk from the railway station.

;Web site: http://www.clarionhotelgillet.com/
;telephone: +46 (0) 18 68 18 00
;fax: +46 (0) 18 68 18 18
;e-mail: cl.uppsala@choice.se
;[http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=Clarion+Hotel+Gillet,+Uppsala++Dragarbrunnsgatan+23,+753+20+Uppsala,+Sweden&hl=en&cid=6476341721226749910 map reference]:

== Directions and Maps ==

* map to hotel: [http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Stockholm+Arlanda+(ARN):+international+airport&daddr=Uppsala,+Sweden&hl=en&sll=59.745326,17.796478&sspn=0.290609,0.701065&geocode=FRE_jgMdbLsRASG2Z_q9nBX8JQ%3BFYRekQMdDyYNASmNqzKF-8tfRjEHCIKFCulPqg&gl=us&dirflg=r&ttype=now&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=def&mra=prev&t=h&z=11&start=0 google directions from airport]
* airport: Stockholm Arlanda (ARN): international
* taxi: Uppsala Taxi +4618 100000
* train: [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=type:transit_station:%22Uppsala+Centralstation%22&hl=en&ll=59.858518,17.645931&spn=0.004525,0.010954&sll=59.858534,17.646086&sspn=0.000000,0.000000&view=map&ftid=0x465fcbf9a0d697b1:0x1901cc46b512aff6&ftt=321&geocode=FWZekQMdBkINAQ&hnear=Uppsala+Centralstation&t=h&z=17 Trains] from airport to Uppsala take about 20 minutes. Frequency every 30 minutes. [http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=type:transit_station:%22Uppsala+Centralstation%22&hl=en&ftid=0x465fcbf9a0d697b1:0x1901cc46b512aff6 map reference]

The most convenient and fastest means to reach the hotel from the airport is usually to take the trains from Arlanda Central station (under SkyCity) to Uppsala. Upptåget trains leave the airport at xx:27 and xx:57 thoughout the day and take 20 minutes. The fare is 140 SEK (one way) and this can be paid with cash or by credit card at the ticket desk or using machines (red ticket machines - credit card only). If you plan to take a long distance train operated by Swedish Railways (SJ) you should buy different tickets. The hotel is a few minutes walk from the station in Uppsala.

You can also take the bus 801 from Arlanda Airport to Uppsala which departs every 30 minutes and takes about 40 minutes. The buses leave from stop number 13 (there is a stop with this number outside each terminal). Tickets can be bought at the airport or with a Swedish mobile phone or a Visa/Master Card on the bus. Cash is not accepted on the bus.

If you plan to take a taxi you can prebook a taxi and there is a fixed rate from the airport to Uppsala. You should make certain that you use one of the Uppsala taxi companies if you simply go to the rank at the airport.

== Other Details ==

=== Host ===

* Adrian Rennie
** institute: Uppsala University
** email: Adrian.Rennie@fysik.uu.se
** office phone: +46184713596

=== Costs ===

* Conference fee: no fee
* regular meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner) will be traveller's expense

=== Equipment ===

{| border="1"
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! item || quantity || who provides?
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| projector & screen
| align="center" | 1 for each meeting room
| align="center" | host
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| LCD displays, keyboards, & mice
| align="center" | a few if needed
| align="center" | host
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| electrical power extension cords
| align="center" | plenty
| align="center" | host
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| foreign electrical power adapter
| align="center" | as needed
| align="center" | traveller
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| Wi-Fi connections
| align="center" | sufficient
| align="center" | host venue
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= Participants =

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! participant || affiliation || arriving || departing || registration? || other
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| Adrian Rennie
| align="center" | [http://www.uu.se Uppsala University]
| align="center" | host
| align="center" | host
| align="center" | host
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| Paul Butler
| align="center" | [http://www.nist.gov NIST]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-02
| align="center" | Yes
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| Andrew Jackson
| align="center" | [http://www.esss.se ESS]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Pete Jemian
| align="center" | [http://www.aps.anl.gov APS]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Steve King
| align="center" | [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/index.html ISIS]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Tobias Richter
| align="center" | [http://www.diamond.ac.uk/ Diamond Light Source]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Lionel Porcar
| align="center" | [http://www.ill.eu/ Institut Laue Langevin]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | tba
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Masaaki Sugiyama
| align="center" | [http://www.rri.kyoto-u.ac.jp/en/index.html Kyoto University]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-07-30
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Ron Ghosh
| align="center" | University College London
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Yuya Shinohara
| align="center" | University of Tokyo
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-08-01
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Sarah Rogers
| align="center" | [http://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/index.html ISIS]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" | 2012-07-29
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Maja Hellsing
| align="center" | [http://www.uu.se Uppsala University]
| align="center" |  
| align="center" |  
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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| Duncan McGillivray
| align="center" | [http://web.chemistry.auckland.ac.nz/staff-profile-jahia.aspx?staffid=207 University of Aukland]
| align="center" | 2012-07-27
| align="center" |  
| align="center" | Yes
| align="center" |  
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= Final Report =

-tba-

[[Category: canSAS 2012]]