First WG Discussion - Revision history

AdrianRennie at 14:01, 25 November 2024

2024-11-25T14:01:04Z

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	Discussion on formalizing canSAS as an organization		Discussion on formalizing canSAS as an organization
	* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated		* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated
	* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership subscriptions received from ESS, Uppsala University.		* International Scattering Alliance (ISA, Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership subscriptions for ISA received from ESS, Uppsala University.
	* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop		* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop
	* Currently no Donate button, registration underway		* Currently no Donate button for ISA, registration underway
	* Grants (e.g. NSF may pay for students to travel)		* Grants (e.g. NSF may pay for students to travel to canSAS meetings)
	==Notes from Updates==		==Notes from Updates==
	Current Activities		Current Activities
	* Wiki		* Wiki
	** Access request to Paul Butler, will be approved, otherwise bots overrun		** Access request to Paul Butler, will be approved. Some limits on who edits are needed otherwise bots overrun.
	** Major effort to upgrade		** Major effort to upgrade
	* Webpages		* Webpages
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	==Notes from Discussion==		==Notes from Discussion==

	=Sample Environments - Nick Terrill (Diamond)==		=Sample Environments - Nick Terrill (Diamond)=
	==Notes from Updates==		==Notes from Updates==
	* Subgroup RheoSAS		* Subgroup RheoSAS
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	*** Direct control		*** Direct control
	*** Quartz cup and bob		*** Quartz cup and bob
	*** Email to Katie.Weigandt, dedicated meeting late 2024 or early 2025		*** Email to Katie Weigandt (NCNR), dedicated meeting late 2024 or early 2025

	* User brought sample environments		* User brought sample environments
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	==Notes from Discussion==		==Notes from Discussion==
	* Paul Butler(NIST):Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering than for evanescent wave		* Paul Butler (NIST):Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering than for evanescent wave
	* Annika Stellhorn(ESS): Discussion on standards?		* Annika Stellhorn (ESS): Discussion on standards?
	* Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons		* Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons

	=Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)==		=Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)=
	==Notes from Updates==		==Notes from Updates==
	* Used to be called “Standardization”		* Used to be called “Standardization”
	* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?		* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
	* Joe Kline: Round robin with ~~Grating~~ as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer		* Joe Kline: Round robin with grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer
	** Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, ~~Tungsten~~, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)		** Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although there have been some production issues)
	** ~~Unlabeled~~ SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.		** SRM 3605, and some other unknown, well-characterized test sample.
	** Provide estimated pitch for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration		** Provide estimated pitch for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration
	* Glassy Carbon round robin - was circulated through canSAS community		* Glassy Carbon round robin - was circulated through canSAS community

AdrianRennie: /* Notes from Updates */ minor corrections

2024-11-21T13:34:10Z

Notes from Updates: minor corrections

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	* Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024		* Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024
	* Data set to be published		* Data set to be published
	* ~~SANS~~, and 2 types of ~~SAXS~~ sources are represented		* SAXS, and 2 types of SANS sources are represented
	* So far only Europe and North America, GISANS		* So far only Europe and North America, GISANS
	'''~~ToDo~~ list:'''		'''To Do list:'''
	* Contact previously active people		* Contact previously active people
	* Increase diversity		* Increase diversity
	* Finding modus operandi		* Finding modus operandi
	* Establish Mailing list		* Establish Mailing list

	==Notes from Discussion==		==Notes from Discussion==
	* Paul Butler(NIST):Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering than for evanescent wave		* Paul Butler(NIST):Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering than for evanescent wave

AdrianRennie: /* General Discussion */ some clarifications

2024-11-21T13:29:10Z

General Discussion: some clarifications

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	NXcanSAS:		NXcanSAS:
	* Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread		* Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread
	* Andrew Jackson, ESS: ~~Todo~~ on formats: No survey yet		* Andrew Jackson, ESS: To do on formats: No survey yet
	* Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.		* Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.
	* Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons		* Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons
	* Paul Butler (NIST)		* Paul Butler (NIST)
	** 1d data, often put out as ASCII, but 2d data is more complicated		** 1d data, often put out as ASCII, but 2d or multi-dimensional data is more complicated
	** ~~Layed~~ the groundwork is important		** Laid the groundwork is important
	* Encourage adoption as a community		* Encourage adoption as a community
	* For lab SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.		* For lab SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

	* Yun Liu (NIST): There has been a focus on throughput, but is current practice viable for weak scattering? We are sometimes pushing the limit in regards to intensity where background is dominating. It would be good to have a round robin for looking at how reliably we can do this .. both at low and high Q.		* Yun Liu (NIST): There has been a focus on throughput, but is current practice viable for weak scattering? We are sometimes pushing the limit in regards to intensity where background is dominating. It would be good to have a round robin for looking at how reliably we can do this .. both at low and high Q.
	* ~~Reliance~~ on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform		* For X-ray instruments, there is often reliance on calibration of e.g. detector relative efficiency by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform
	* Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?		* Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?
	* Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.		* Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.
	* Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): ~~Link~~ of existing videos?		* Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): In the context of the SAS portal asked whether links to existing videos are possible?
	* ~~Original~~ idea of the portal was to fill in ~~blanks in~~ information and link to existing resources when available.		* Paul Butler responded that the original idea of the portal was to fill in missing information and link to existing resources when they are available.

AdrianRennie at 09:28, 12 November 2024

2024-11-12T09:28:54Z

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	* For lab SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.		* For lab SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

	* Yun Liu (NIST): There has been a focus on throughput, but is current practice viable for weak scattering? We are sometimes pushing the limit in regards to intensity where background is dominating. It would be good to have a round ~~Robbin~~ for looking at how reliably we can do this .. both at low and high Q.		* Yun Liu (NIST): There has been a focus on throughput, but is current practice viable for weak scattering? We are sometimes pushing the limit in regards to intensity where background is dominating. It would be good to have a round robin for looking at how reliably we can do this .. both at low and high Q.
	* Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform		* Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform
	* Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?		* Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?

AdrianRennie: correct spelling and typography

2024-11-12T09:27:39Z

correct spelling and typography

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	==Notes pre-update==		==Notes pre-update==
	Discussion on Recruiting students and postdoc, increase participation		Discussion on Recruiting students and postdoc, increase participation
	* Anna Sokolova (ANSTO): Today’s ~~CanSAS~~ has no virtual attendance - How can more students and PostDocs be brought into the workshop?		* Anna Sokolova (ANSTO): Today’s canSAS has no virtual attendance - How can more students and PostDocs be brought into the workshop?
	* Mu-Ping Nieh (UConn): Suggestion to hold a workshop at University of Connecticut to draw in computer science and engineering students		* Mu-Ping Nieh (UConn): Suggestion to hold a workshop at University of Connecticut to draw in computer science and engineering students
	Discussion on formalizing ~~CanSAS~~ as an organization		Discussion on formalizing canSAS as an organization
	* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated		* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated
	* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership subscriptions received from ESS, Uppsala University.		* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership subscriptions received from ESS, Uppsala University.
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	Current Activities		Current Activities
	* Wiki		* Wiki
	** Access to request to Paul Butler, will be approved, otherwise bots overrun		** Access request to Paul Butler, will be approved, otherwise bots overrun
	** Major effort to upgrade		** Major effort to upgrade
	* Webpages		* Webpages
	** Moved to ~~CanSAS~~ github.io		** Moved to canSAS github.io
	** Simpler to add editors now		** Simpler to add editors now
	** The domain cansas.org is now “owned” by ISA		** The domain cansas.org is now “owned” by ISA
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	** Link with International Society of Sample Environments		** Link with International Society of Sample Environments
	==Notes from Discussion==		==Notes from Discussion==
	~~Link~~ with International Society of Sample Environments		It is good to maintain links and contact with International Society of Sample Environments

	=Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)=		=Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)=
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	* Contact previously active people		* Contact previously active people
	* Increase diversity		* Increase diversity
	* Finding modus of operandi		* Finding modus operandi
	* Establish Mailing list		* Establish Mailing list
	==Notes from Discussion==		==Notes from Discussion==
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	* Used to be called “Standardization”		* Used to be called “Standardization”
	* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?		* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
	* Joe ~~Klein~~: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer		* Joe Kline: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer
	** Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)		** Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)
	** Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.		** Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.
	** Provide estimated ~~pith~~ for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration		** Provide estimated pitch for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration
	* Glassy Carbon round robin - circulated through ~~CanSAS~~ community		* Glassy Carbon round robin - was circulated through canSAS community
	* Candidates for other test sample		* Candidates for other test sample
	** Needs to be reproducible		** Needs to be reproducible
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	* An additional layer may be needed		* An additional layer may be needed

	canSAS: Facility staff used to ~~not~~ be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care so much about plug and play?		canSAS: Facility staff used not to be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care so much about plug and play?
	NXcanSAS:		NXcanSAS:
	* Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread		* Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread
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	* Paul Butler (NIST)		* Paul Butler (NIST)
	** 1d data, often put out as ASCII, but 2d data is more complicated		** 1d data, often put out as ASCII, but 2d data is more complicated
	** ~~Laid~~ the groundwork is important		** Layed the groundwork is important
	* Encourage adoption as a community		* Encourage adoption as a community
	* For lab SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.		* For lab SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

AdrianRennie at 08:06, 12 November 2024

2024-11-12T08:06:52Z

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	Discussion on formalizing CanSAS as an organization		Discussion on formalizing CanSAS as an organization
	* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated		* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated
	* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership ~~donations~~ from ESS, ~~university of~~ Uppsala		* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership subscriptions received from ESS, Uppsala University.
	* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop		* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop
	* Currently no Donate button, registration underway		* Currently no Donate button, registration underway
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	** Moved to CanSAS github.io		** Moved to CanSAS github.io
	** Simpler to add editors now		** Simpler to add editors now
	** ~~Cansas~~.org is now “owned” by ~~university~~		** The domain cansas.org is now “owned” by ISA
	* Mailing list		* Mailing list
	** Mailman2 version had too high maintenance		** Mailman2 version had too high maintenance
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	* An additional layer may be needed		* An additional layer may be needed

	~~CanSAS~~: Facility ~~members~~ used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care so much about plug and play?		canSAS: Facility staff used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care so much about plug and play?
	NXcanSAS:		NXcanSAS:
	* Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread		* Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread

Butler at 16:13, 9 November 2024

2024-11-09T16:13:02Z

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	=General Discussion=		=General Discussion=
	~~Finished producing some drivers, running on~~ SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol, ISSE, ~~Octopies, told~~ it ~~does not~~ work. Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at ~~Oakridge~~ - ~~seems to not be fully standard as~~ a protocol.		SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol (ISSE activity)
	EPICS drivers can be quite specific.		* Some drivers running at NIST
	~~Additional~~ layer may be needed		* ESS Octopy, does it work?
			* Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at Oak Ridge?
			* Not a true standard -- just a protocol?
			* EPICS drivers can be quite specific.
			* An additional layer may be needed

	CanSAS: Facility members used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care.		CanSAS: Facility members used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care so much about plug and play?
	~~Plug~~ and play		NXcanSAS:
	Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread		* Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread
	Andrew Jackson, ESS: Todo on formats: No survey yet		* Andrew Jackson, ESS: Todo on formats: No survey yet
	Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.		* Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.
	Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons		* Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons
	1d data, often put out as ASCII		* Paul Butler (NIST)
	2d data is more complicated - Laid groundwork is important		** 1d data, often put out as ASCII, but 2d data is more complicated
	Encourage adoption as a community		** Laid the groundwork is important
	For ~~synchrotron~~ SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.		* Encourage adoption as a community
			* For lab SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

	Yun Liu (NIST): Is current practice viable for weak scattering? ~~Push for throughput. Push~~ limit in regards to intensity~~? Background~~ is dominating ~~in case of wake scatterers~~		* Yun Liu (NIST): There has been a focus on throughput, but is current practice viable for weak scattering? We are sometimes pushing the limit in regards to intensity where background is dominating. It would be good to have a round Robbin for looking at how reliably we can do this .. both at low and high Q.
	Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform		* Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform
			* Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?
	Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?		* Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.
	Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.		* Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): Link of existing videos?
			* Original idea of the portal was to fill in blanks in information and link to existing resources when available.
	Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): Link of existing videos?
	Original idea of the portal was to fill in blanks and link to existing resources.

Butler: /* Notes from Updates */

2024-11-09T15:51:27Z

Notes from Updates

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	=Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)==		=Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)==
	=Notes from Updates=		==Notes from Updates==
	* Used to be called “Standardization”		* Used to be called “Standardization”
	* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?		* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
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	* Talk about reduction in context of round robin		* Talk about reduction in context of round robin
	==Notes from Discussion==		==Notes from Discussion==


	=General Discussion=		=General Discussion=

Butler at 15:50, 9 November 2024

2024-11-09T15:50:57Z

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	** EPICS Integrations - Diamond/ISIS working on this, ESS also experimenting with this (talk to ESS Sample Environments Team) - email Tim Snow		** EPICS Integrations - Diamond/ISIS working on this, ESS also experimenting with this (talk to ESS Sample Environments Team) - email Tim Snow
	** Link with International Society of Sample Environments		** Link with International Society of Sample Environments
	=Notes from Discussion=		==Notes from Discussion==
	Link with International Society of Sample Environments		Link with International Society of Sample Environments

	==Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)==		=Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)=
	=Notes from Updates=		==Notes from Updates==
	History		'''History'''
	Formation in 2015, new iteration in 2024		Formation in 2015, new iteration in 2024
	Survey		Survey
	Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024		* Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024
	Data set to be published		* Data set to be published
	SANS, and 2 types of SAXS sources are represented		* SANS, and 2 types of SAXS sources are represented
	So far only Europe and North America, GISANS		* So far only Europe and North America, GISANS
	ToDo list:		'''ToDo list:'''
	Contact previously active people		* Contact previously active people
	Increase diversity		* Increase diversity
	Finding modus of operandi		* Finding modus of operandi
	Establish Mailing list		* Establish Mailing list
	~~GISAS~~: Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering		==Notes from Discussion==
	~~Notes~~ from ~~Discussion~~		* Paul Butler(NIST):Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering than for evanescent wave
			* Annika Stellhorn(ESS): Discussion on standards?
			* Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons

	~~Annika Stellhorn: Discussion on standards?~~		=Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)==
	~~Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons~~		=Notes from Updates=
			* Used to be called “Standardization”
	Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)		* Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
	Notes from Updates		* Joe Klein: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer
	Used to be called “Standardization”		** Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)
	Do I believe my data and my interpretation?		** Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.
	Joe Klein: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer		** Provide estimated pith for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration
	Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)		* Glassy Carbon round robin - circulated through CanSAS community
	Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.		* Candidates for other test sample
	Provide estimated pith for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration		** Needs to be reproducible
	Glassy Carbon round robin - circulated through CanSAS community		* Recruitment of participants
	Candidates for other test sample		* Further standards for intensity or momentum transfer?
	Needs to be ~~replicated~~		* Different ways of round robins
	Recruitment ~~for~~ participants		** Blind can have a use
	Further standards for intensity or momentum transfer.		** Revising data reduction, reported again, activity is useful
	Different ways of round robins		* Talk about reduction in context of round robin
	Blind can have a use		==Notes from Discussion==
	Revising data reduction, reported again, activity is useful
	Talk about reduction in context of round robin
	Notes from Discussion


	General Discussion		=General Discussion=
	Finished producing some drivers, running on SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol, ISSE, Octopies, told it does not work. Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at Oakridge - seems to not be fully standard as a protocol.		Finished producing some drivers, running on SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol, ISSE, Octopies, told it does not work. Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at Oakridge - seems to not be fully standard as a protocol.
	EPICS drivers can be quite specific.		EPICS drivers can be quite specific.

Butler at 15:38, 9 November 2024

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	== Notes ~~Start here~~ ==		=Information and Dissemination - Paul Butler (UD/NIST)=
			==Notes pre-update==
			Discussion on Recruiting students and postdoc, increase participation
			* Anna Sokolova (ANSTO): Today’s CanSAS has no virtual attendance - How can more students and PostDocs be brought into the workshop?
			* Mu-Ping Nieh (UConn): Suggestion to hold a workshop at University of Connecticut to draw in computer science and engineering students
			Discussion on formalizing CanSAS as an organization
			* More formal organization with board and voting may make things more complicated
			* International Scattering Alliance (Chair: Tim Snow, Treasurer: Andrew Jackson), Non-Profit in Sweden - holds and pays for domain names, membership donations from ESS, university of Uppsala
			* No funding means that there are typical registration fees for longer canSAS workshop
			* Currently no Donate button, registration underway
			* Grants (e.g. NSF may pay for students to travel)
			==Notes from Updates==
			Current Activities
			* Wiki
			** Access to request to Paul Butler, will be approved, otherwise bots overrun
			** Major effort to upgrade
			* Webpages
			** Moved to CanSAS github.io
			** Simpler to add editors now
			** Cansas.org is now “owned” by university
			* Mailing list
			** Mailman2 version had too high maintenance
			** Moved to Google Groups, mostly unused
			** SESANS using jicsmail, does not have a generic sign up page ( will look into this)
			** New attempt with MailMan3 in progress
			* SAS Portal Project
			** Software page especially popular (7k/year, 65k/year visits on front page)
			* new.smallangles.org - major refactor with updating and porting in process
			* Github (cansas), mostly for data formats
			* Tutorials, lots of interest, but no-one stepped up to do so under the canSAS organization
			* Draft for resolution paper
			* Will need help for determining services

			==Notes from Discussion==

			=Sample Environments - Nick Terrill (Diamond)==
			==Notes from Updates==
			* Subgroup RheoSAS
			** Met with Anton Paar to discuss SAS-Rheometer: Progress towards being able to communicate with
			** Interested in doing a (virtual) working group subgroup meeting?
			*** EPICS drivers
			*** Direct control
			*** Quartz cup and bob
			*** Email to Katie.Weigandt, dedicated meeting late 2024 or early 2025

			* User brought sample environments
			** Problems: Not designed to be integrated, using different operating system, don’t use the right cables, triggered weirdly, user wants all variables saved with the facility data.
			** EPICS Integrations - Diamond/ISIS working on this, ESS also experimenting with this (talk to ESS Sample Environments Team) - email Tim Snow
			** Link with International Society of Sample Environments
			=Notes from Discussion=
			Link with International Society of Sample Environments

			==Grazing Incidence - Anja Hörmann (BAM)==
			=Notes from Updates=
			History
			Formation in 2015, new iteration in 2024
			Survey
			Call for participation - So far 16 answers, open since Jul 18, 2024
			Data set to be published
			SANS, and 2 types of SAXS sources are represented
			So far only Europe and North America, GISANS
			ToDo list:
			Contact previously active people
			Increase diversity
			Finding modus of operandi
			Establish Mailing list
			GISAS: Any restrictions on the Geometry - Analysis is different for near surface scattering
			Notes from Discussion

			Annika Stellhorn: Discussion on standards?
			Volker Urban (ORNL): Should be more inclusive to have more participation from Neutrons

			Reproducibility and Reliability - Adrian Rennie (Uppsala)
			Notes from Updates
			Used to be called “Standardization”
			Do I believe my data and my interpretation?
			Joe Klein: Round robin with Grating as potential new standard reference material for momentum transfer
			Designed material with 2 characteristic spacings, wants to do round robin before release, Tungsten, primarily for SAXS, prototype available (although some production issues)
			Unlabeled SRM 3605, other unknown, well-characterized test sample.
			Provide estimated pith for SRM 3605, will return certified calibration
			Glassy Carbon round robin - circulated through CanSAS community
			Candidates for other test sample
			Needs to be replicated
			Recruitment for participants
			Further standards for intensity or momentum transfer.
			Different ways of round robins
			Blind can have a use
			Revising data reduction, reported again, activity is useful
			Talk about reduction in context of round robin
			Notes from Discussion


			General Discussion
			Finished producing some drivers, running on SECoP: The Sample Environment Communication Protocol, ISSE, Octopies, told it does not work. Has been suggested that SECoP will not be interoperable at Oakridge - seems to not be fully standard as a protocol.
			EPICS drivers can be quite specific.
			Additional layer may be needed

			CanSAS: Facility members used to not be nomadic (temporarily the case) - users may not care.
			Plug and play
			Glen Smales: Data from 17 different instruments, all different - Use of standard format not wide-spread
			Andrew Jackson, ESS: Todo on formats: No survey yet
			Eliot Gilbert (ANSTO) SASView and Mantid can save reduced data in Cansas Nexus.
			Uptake higher at Neutrons, less at synchrotrons
			1d data, often put out as ASCII
			2d data is more complicated - Laid groundwork is important
			Encourage adoption as a community
			For synchrotron SAXS, discussion with vendors may be needed.

			Yun Liu (NIST): Is current practice viable for weak scattering? Push for throughput. Push limit in regards to intensity? Background is dominating in case of wake scatterers
			Reliance on calibration by vendors - understanding of typical calibration problems not uniform

			Liz Kelley (NCNR): Errors in terms of counting statistics?
			Counting statistics is easy to account for, but other sources of errors are difficult to capture. Sharing of best practice would be great.

			Elliot Gilbert (ANSTO): Link of existing videos?
			Original idea of the portal was to fill in blanks and link to existing resources.