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AdrianRennie: /* Introduction */

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Introduction

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	canSAS has evolved over the years into a loosely organized, self-assembled collection of international small-angle scatterers with a common goal to provide solutions for the problems encountered by nomadic scatterers using different equipment and facilities. From the first meeting held in 1998 in Grenoble France, the aim has been on concrete action. In the early days the focus was almost exclusively on reduced data formats. That focus has shifted over the years and in the 2007 canSAS V meeting it was decided that the work clearly ~~encompassed~~ any issue impacting the nomadic scatterer. Further, a renewed emphasis was placed on action with the establishment of several working groups.		canSAS has evolved over the years into a loosely organized, self-assembled collection of international small-angle scatterers with a common goal to provide solutions for the problems encountered by nomadic scatterers using different equipment and facilities. From the first meeting held in 1998 in Grenoble France, the aim has been on concrete action. In the early days the focus was almost exclusively on reduced data formats. That focus has shifted over the years and in the 2007 canSAS V meeting it was decided that the work clearly encompasses any issue impacting the nomadic scatterer. Further, a renewed emphasis was placed on action with the establishment of several working groups.

	== Background ==		== Background ==

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Introduction

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	canSAS has evolved over the years into a loosely organized, self-assembled collection of international small-angle scatterers with a common goal to provide solutions for the problems encountered by nomadic scatterers using different equipment and facilities. From the first meeting held in 1998 in Grenoble France, the aim has been on concrete action. In the early days the focus was almost exclusively on reduced data formats. That focus has shifted over the years and in the 2007 canSAS V meeting decided that the work clearly encompassed any issue impacting the nomadic scatterer. Further, a renewed emphasis was placed on action with the establishment of several working groups.		canSAS has evolved over the years into a loosely organized, self-assembled collection of international small-angle scatterers with a common goal to provide solutions for the problems encountered by nomadic scatterers using different equipment and facilities. From the first meeting held in 1998 in Grenoble France, the aim has been on concrete action. In the early days the focus was almost exclusively on reduced data formats. That focus has shifted over the years and in the 2007 canSAS V meeting it was decided that the work clearly encompassed any issue impacting the nomadic scatterer. Further, a renewed emphasis was placed on action with the establishment of several working groups.

	== Background ==		== Background ==

AdrianRennie: /* General Discussion */

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General Discussion

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	A lot was accomplished during ~~these~~ very intense four days of work. Besides the specific results discussed in the individual reports below, there are several general discussion points and activities to report.		A lot was accomplished during the very intense four days of work in Uppsala. Besides the specific results discussed in the individual reports below, there are several general discussion points and activities to report.

	* Most of the canSAS activities are really long term and rely on the involvement of the community. The participants discussed the need to lower the barrier to participation in order to increase the number of people willing and able to help in the activities. This is particularly true for the portal project which will need ongoing upkeep and updating which is beyond the ability of even 2 or 3 busy nomads to maintain.		* Most of the canSAS activities are really long term and rely on the involvement of the community. The participants discussed the need to lower the barrier to participation in order to increase the number of people willing and able to help in the activities. This is particularly true for the portal project which will need ongoing upkeep and updating which is beyond the ability of even 2 or 3 busy nomads to maintain.

AdrianRennie: /* Background */

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Background

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	As with most self assembled work groups, progress goes in spurts depending on the immediate demands of the participants “day jobs.” In late 2011 early 2012, a few people had an ad ~~hod~~ discussion of the need to for renewing the level of activity and particularly that doing so in advance of the 2012 SAS meeting in Sydney would be highly advantageous as this would be an ideal venue for recruiting more ~~nomads~~ to donate of their time and talents by participating in activities that may be of particular interest to them.		As with most self-assembled work groups, progress goes in spurts depending on the immediate demands of the participants “day jobs.” In late 2011 and early 2012, a few people had an ad hoc discussion of the need to for renewing the level of activity and particularly that doing so in advance of the 2012 SAS meeting in Sydney would be highly advantageous as this would be an ideal venue for recruiting more people to donate of their time and talents by participating in activities that may be of particular interest to them.

	In discussing the amount of actual results that would be useful to achieve by November, the very short notice, and the extremely limited ~~bandwidth~~ that everyone is faced with, the idea of trying a new model for this particular effort was proposed. Rather than attempt to organize the usual canSAS general meeting, or even a more slightly focused workshop as done in 2007, the idea was to invite a very small representative number of people to come together for a very intense 4 days of work. The group would be 10 to 15 people meeting face to face with minimum distractions with 3-5 people assigned to each of 3 current working group themes: Data Formats, SAS Portal, and Standardization. The idea is that with this size one could capture some of the diversity of needs while staying small enough that over the course of 4 days some ~~true concrete~~ progress could be made. It was recognized early on that such progress comes at the expense of some inclusivity. Thus the thought was that this effort should be viewed as a way to ~~build~~ some ~~actual straw programs which a~~ broader community could discuss ~~in the concrete which~~ is much more productive than general ~~discussions in the~~ abstract. Further, in order to minimize the problem of small groups going down an unsustainable path for the larger community, a substantial fraction of the meeting involved reporting progress to the full group (members from all the subgroups) where vibrant discussion helped to keep the efforts grounded in a larger context as did the informal noon, break and evening discussions around coffee and meals. Finally ~~an even broader~~ participation was invited to provide ~~discussion~~ on ~~the meeting~~ wiki prior to the meeting and to join ~~through 3~~ webcast discussions.		In discussing the amount of actual results that would be useful to achieve by November, the very short notice, and the extremely limited time that everyone is faced with, the idea of trying a new model for this particular effort was proposed. Rather than attempt to organize the usual canSAS general meeting, or even a more slightly focused workshop as done in 2007, the idea was to invite a very small, representative number of people to come together for a very intense 4 days of work. The group would be 10 to 15 people meeting face to face with minimum distractions with 3-5 people assigned to each of 3 current, active working group themes: Data Formats, SAS Portal, and Standardization. The idea is that with this size one could capture some of the diversity of needs while staying small enough that over the course of 4 days some real progress could be made.

			It was recognized early on that such progress comes at the expense of some inclusivity. Thus the thought was that this effort should be viewed as a way to develop some activities with actions and firm proposals that the broader community could then discuss. Such discussion is usually much more productive than general dialogue on more abstract ideas. Further, in order to minimize the problem of small groups going down an unsustainable path for the larger community, a substantial fraction of the meeting involved reporting progress to the full group (members from all the subgroups) where vibrant discussion helped to keep the efforts grounded in a larger context as did the informal noon, break and evening discussions around coffee and meals. Finally, broad participation was invited to provide comments and proposals on a wiki page prior to the meeting and to join in three webcast discussions.

	== General Discussion ==		== General Discussion ==

AdrianRennie: /* Introduction */

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Introduction

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	== Introduction ==		== Introduction ==

	canSAS has evolved over the years into a loosely organized, self assembled collection of international small angle scatterers with a common goal ~~of providing~~ solutions to the problems of nomadic scatterers. From the first meeting held in 1998 in Grenoble France the aim has been on concrete action ~~though in~~ the early days the focus was exclusively on reduced data formats. That focus has shifted over the years and in the 2007 canSAS V meeting clearly ~~became more encompassing of~~ any issue impacting the nomadic scatterer. Further, a renewed emphasis was placed on action with the establishment of several working groups.		canSAS has evolved over the years into a loosely organized, self-assembled collection of international small-angle scatterers with a common goal to provide solutions for the problems encountered by nomadic scatterers using different equipment and facilities. From the first meeting held in 1998 in Grenoble France, the aim has been on concrete action. In the early days the focus was almost exclusively on reduced data formats. That focus has shifted over the years and in the 2007 canSAS V meeting decided that the work clearly encompassed any issue impacting the nomadic scatterer. Further, a renewed emphasis was placed on action with the establishment of several working groups.

	== Background ==		== Background ==

AdrianRennie: /* General Discussion */

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General Discussion

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	* Most of the canSAS activities are really long term and rely on the involvement of the community. The participants discussed the need to lower the barrier to participation in order to increase the number of people willing and able to help in the activities. This is particularly true for the portal project which will need ongoing upkeep and updating which is beyond the ability of even 2 or 3 busy nomads to maintain.		* Most of the canSAS activities are really long term and rely on the involvement of the community. The participants discussed the need to lower the barrier to participation in order to increase the number of people willing and able to help in the activities. This is particularly true for the portal project which will need ongoing upkeep and updating which is beyond the ability of even 2 or 3 busy nomads to maintain.
	* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by ~~some~~ discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.		* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed, hopefully, by discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.
	* The cansas.org domain was purchased and ~~set up as a way~~ to simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.		* The cansas.org domain was purchased so as to clarify the identity of this and the various other activities related to small-angle scattering. This should simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.
	* Finally, It was noted that the current [[canSAS_Working_Groups\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.		* Finally, It was noted that the current [[canSAS_Working_Groups\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.


	* The identity of the various activities related to small-angle scattering will be clarified and canSAS will in future be accessible on the web at www.cansas.org


	== Individual Group Reports ==		== Individual Group Reports ==

Butler at 15:11, 10 November 2012

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	* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by some discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.		* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by some discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.
	* The cansas.org domain was purchased and set up as a way to simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.		* The cansas.org domain was purchased and set up as a way to simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.
	* Finally, It was noted that the current [[~~canSAS~~\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.		* Finally, It was noted that the current [[canSAS_Working_Groups\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.

Butler at 15:10, 10 November 2012

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	* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by some discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.		* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by some discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.
	* The cansas.org domain was purchased and set up as a way to simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.		* The cansas.org domain was purchased and set up as a way to simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.
	* Finally, It was noted that the current [[canSAS-V\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.		* Finally, It was noted that the current [[canSAS\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.

Butler at 15:08, 10 November 2012

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	* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by some discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.		* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by some discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.
	* The cansas.org domain was purchased and set up as a way to simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.		* The cansas.org domain was purchased and set up as a way to simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.
	* Finally, It was noted that the current [[canSAS-VI\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.		* Finally, It was noted that the current [[canSAS-V\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.

Butler at 15:07, 10 November 2012

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	== General Discussion ==		== General Discussion ==

	Besides the specific results discussed in the individual reports below, there ~~were~~ several general discussion and activities.		A lot was accomplished during these very intense four days of work. Besides the specific results discussed in the individual reports below, there are several general discussion points and activities to report.

	* Most of the canSAS activities are really long term and rely on the involvement of the community. The participants discussed the need to lower the barrier to participation in order to increase the number of people willing and able to help in the activities. This is particularly true for the portal project which will need ongoing upkeep and updating which is beyond the ability of even 2 or 3 busy nomads to maintain.		* Most of the canSAS activities are really long term and rely on the involvement of the community. The participants discussed the need to lower the barrier to participation in order to increase the number of people willing and able to help in the activities. This is particularly true for the portal project which will need ongoing upkeep and updating which is beyond the ability of even 2 or 3 busy nomads to maintain.
	* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by some discussion with the community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.		* The results of this meeting, including each subgroups results, activities, and issues, are to be presented at the SAS meeting. The plan is to have a lunch session with presentations from the participants followed hopefully by some discussion with the general community. It might also be useful to have a more informal evening gathering of particularly interested individuals to discuss next steps and active involvement.
			* The cansas.org domain was purchased and set up as a way to simplify and enhance the communication in this dispersed community and ad hoc working group organization. All canSAS related information can now be accessed through this simple domain.
			* Finally, It was noted that the current [[canSAS-VI\|working group member lists]] need updating and the opportunity should be taken to review the current membership of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation can be removed.


	~~The work in these areas is ongoing. Specific actions have been identified by the work groups. Some general activities that encompass several themes will be:~~

	* A presentation and discussion session will be held at the SAS2012 Conference in Sydney in November 2012. This will describe current and future activities and ask for broader participation in canSAS activities.
	* The identity of the various activities related to small-angle scattering will be clarified and canSAS will in future be accessible on the web at www.cansas.org		* The identity of the various activities related to small-angle scattering will be clarified and canSAS will in future be accessible on the web at www.cansas.org
	* Updates to the work group mail lists will be required for technical reasons and the opportunity will be taken to review the membersip of the lists so that e-mail addresses of people that have not been active and not requested continued participation will be removed.

	Although much work was performed in small-groups there was considerable interaction between the different activities with most participants being involved in the general discussion on all topics. It was apparent that collaboration should continue.

	== Individual Group Reports ==		== Individual Group Reports ==